Re: Kaeble

2foru wrote:

The deal with Kaeble was in a face off. Beausolei did not try to "CARVE HIS EYE OUT" as you are trying to make sound so dramatic. It was an unfortunate happening, nothing intentional. Were you at the game or did you just hear it called on the radio? Kaeble is not extremely tall and is great about getting extremely low to the ice for face offs. This usually works good for him and he is a great player. Beau's stick did hit him in the face, but he was only trying to go for the puck, not "Carve His Eye Out" as was stated. Let's not try to make any team sound like they are blood thirsty. Beau or Fleck could be on your team and you would be cheering them on just as the folks in OKC do. The situation with Clayton is unfortunate, now let's not try to turn this into a free for all against one club. Come on people. I wish Clayton a speedy recovery. I enjoy watching him play, as well as players on all of the different teams. There really is no need to bash a good player just because he isn't on "your team".

I guess that is what Klage gets for balancing the puck on his nose while Beau "went for the puck".

Geez... now we have Greaser fans jumping in to say how dirty our whole team is. I don't believed you answered the question about being there. If you were, were you sitting with a direct view of the incident as I was? Beau does NOT take faceoffs usually. Klage had his face two feet from the ice because he goes low intentionally. That's part of what makes him a good faceoff man. Beau went high to try to get to the puck before Klage. The linesman for whatever reason never dropped the puck. Stick met face and unfortunately Klage got hurt. Beau got a double minor, served it, and the game went on. Klage never missed a shift.

okcfan81, but by posting fact about this it kind of ruins the intent of those on here trying to make the point that okc intentionally tries to hurt the opposing teams. i was at the game as it sounds like you were. you have a very accurate discription, same as what i saw. i'm still wondering if the tulsa fan was at the game or just trying to add fuel to the fire and that was the only 2 cents that he could come up with to add.

Well you know. . . OKC has the most PIM in the league. It is either dirty hockey or undiscliplined play. Probably a combo of both.

i'm still waiting to see if greaserfan was at the game or not....as far as the penalty minutes go, do you cheer for voth? or is that just dirty hockey or undiscipline play???

And if I wasn't does that not mean he didn't get a stick to the face? Does that not mean you guys are getting known for these types of actions?

BTW, nice to see all the new posters showing up to defend the Blazers way of hockey. So, is this the Blazers new strategy?

capcad231 wrote:

Well you know. . . OKC has the most PIM in the league. It is either dirty hockey or undiscliplined play. Probably a combo of both.

Actually, it is undisciplined play. We've taken way too many retaliation penalties this year. Most of them occurring when an opposing team takes a shot at a scorer or goalie. Our players have been sticking up for each other and themselves this season.

As far as the Tulsa game goes, Tulsa was dishing it out as well. Don't paint your "The Blazers are big bad meanie" picture now that you feel like you might have some support.

The hit by Fleck may not have been clean, but assuming intent in the matter is pure speculation. Of course Thunder fans are going to think it was intentional. It was their player that was hurt. Of course, Blazer fans are going to be upset when our organization is attacked. It is our team. No one is going to agree on the situation. Perhaps we could ALL quit the childish name calling and just wait to see what the league decides.

Last edited by okcfan81 on Wed Dec 28, 2005 3:36 pm; edited 1 time in total

By the way, I am NOT a new poster. I posted on the old Glassrattler in the past and have met MANY of the Thunder fans personally. My husband (BF78) and I do not hide behind screen names. Blazers and Thunder fans alike know who we are.

just because you get a stick to the face does that mean that the other person was trying to "carve your eye out?" you are insane if you really think this is true!!! i think the best thing would be to wait until the league makes a ruling. as far as blazer fans getting on here and defending, isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? or is it just ironic that you happened to get on here today of all days to bring up the fact that one of the oilers got a stick to the face. seems like you are just trying to jump on the "i hate okc bandwagon" because you feel like you might have a few others that are on it right now because of an unfortunate incident. so, were you at the game?

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Guess it's just a good time to come back, eh?

okcfan81, you are 100% correct. it is unfortunate when ANY player gets hurt. but, if the intent was not to purposely injure that player then i would call it an accident. these things do happen.

Tulsa had a problem with retaliation penalties last year really bad. I don't see much of those anymore. Heck, feel free to skate in on our goalie and push him around without fear of retaliation. I've watched it all year and few time last night.

Nah, I have been around. Just prefer talking in person instead of behind a keyboard.

2foru wrote:

okcfan81, you are 100% correct. it is unfortunate when ANY player gets hurt. but, if the intent was not to purposely injure that player then i would call it an accident. these things do happen.

Fleck had bad intentions when he circled around and lined up Clayton. The hit was not an accident. Did he want to send him to the hospital? probably not. Did he want to take his head off with a hit that Clayton couldn't see coming? Absolutly. Even if it was a shoulder and not an elbow or stick the check appeared to be a hit to a defensless player. Clayton was already tied up with another Blazer player when Fleck was lining him up.


Comparing a high stick that was most likly an accident to this hit is like comparing apples to oranges.

2foru wrote:

just because you get a stick to the face does that mean that the other person was trying to "carve your eye out?"

Nope!

2foru wrote:

you are insane if you really think this is true!!!

INSANE?? Does it really show or are you just saying that?

2foru wrote:

i think the best thing would be to wait until the league makes a ruling.

Ok, I'll wait to see what the league says to voice my opinion commandant.

2foru wrote:

as far as blazer fans getting on here and defending, isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? or is it just ironic that you happened to get on here today of all days to bring up the fact that one of the oilers got a stick to the face. seems like you are just trying to jump on the "i hate okc bandwagon" because you feel like you might have a few others that are on it right now because of an unfortunate incident. so, were you at the game?

LOL!! I've been on that "band wagon" for years now!!!

brian-27 wrote:

2foru wrote: okcfan81, you are 100% correct. it is unfortunate when ANY player gets hurt. but, if the intent was not to purposely injure that player then i would call it an accident. these things do happen. Fleck had bad intentions when he circled around and lined up Clayton. The hit was not an accident. Did he want to send him to the hospital? probably not. Did he want to take his head off with a hit that Clayton couldn't see coming? Absolutly. Even if it was a shoulder and not an elbow or stick the check appeared to be a hit to a defensless player. Clayton was already tied up with another Blazer player when Fleck was lining him up. Comparing a high stick that was most likly an accident to this hit is like comparing apples to oranges.

good post brian i was there and there was no doubt of what i saw.
Fleck is prone to this kind of activity this is not the first time
he put a hit on someone that was dangerous play . they can say he didnt want to hurt clayton all they want but he knew what he was doing could hurt someone . why do you think the league is cracking down on the elbow crap? he could of made a clean hit instead he chose to use a high elbow and hit him when he wasnt looking
Fleck is aggressive player. he gets to carried away and doesnt think about it til after he hurts someone Im afraid .

maybe fleck dont care, or a coach said do something to turn the tables on this game.

And maybe he does care... and maybe all coach told him to do is take the body to a scorer to get him off his game. Too many maybes to continue to speculate. Both sides will never agree on what happened be it teams, players, or fans. Bottom line is, it happened. It was unfortunate. The league will deal with it. Let's let them do their job.

"MAYBE" fleck is notorious for this kind of maybe conduct!

Actually, from my vantage point Beausoleil was attempting to lift Kaebels stick and turn to block him out. The linesman hesitated with dropping the puck, but Beausoleil didn't. The stick came up and whacked him.
Now if it were a vicious high stick why didn't any of the Tulsa players react to it by going after him? Because it wasn't intentional (and honestly I don't think any of the guys on the ice knew he got hit until he dropped to one knee). The ref gave him 4 minutes because of the blood. Also, I saw somewhere earlier in this thread that there was considerable blood to clean up - bull, it took longer for the ice crew to walk out there than it did to scrape it up. Not even enough for an extra small snow cone.

While I am here I also want to add that it is very unfortunate what took place last night and I hope Clayton is back on the ice soon. But, those guys have been going at it for years. I have personally witnessed several incidents between those two (Fleck and Clayton) and let me just say that Clayton has given some good shots as well. (the 4 minute variety slashes and elbows, etc.) which have not been called. Not that any of that justifies what happened last night, but I can say I am certain that Fleck did not try to take him out. Was it a stupid decision on his part - yes. But guys like Scott Stevens and Fleck are not known for being the most courteous on the ice. Fleck hits and hits hard. Ask anyone in the league who they don't want to be checked by most will agree it's Fleck. In this case he made a poor decision and got the elbow/hand/stick up high.

I do agree he should be suspended. Which takes our team captain and best defenseman off the ice, but you got to pay for your mistakes.