Kermie wrote:

Tipper wasn't against the music but rather wanted the parents to know what their child is buying.You have ratings on movies for that very same resason.Also jc for you to tag must of everyone on here as a racist,sexist it surprises me you would defend the lyrics of most rap music.

tipper gore wanted to censor music she objected to. you trying to make her sound like some sort of savior of our children does a disservice to the people who actually are concerned about children.
rap does indeed have racist and misogynistic lyrics. i think i said that in one of my previous posts. if i didn't i will say it now. i believe that is a social commentary on the racism and exploitation that occurs to black people every day of their lives. there is a reason why peole feel the way they do and there are reasons why that is expressed in theri art. if you spent as much time trying to determine what it was about instead of condeming and demeaning it maybe you would understand it. but that would require that you open up your mind to something different than what you want to believe. and that is something some people are simply incapable of doing.

fred wrote:

I new a guy who always said if you just built a wall around the city of Detroit and gave everybody a gun, before long the population would be about 10% of what it was,

racists always believe that kind of stuff. and, all too often, their racism does turn into a perverse sort of self-fullfilling prophecy.

jc wrote:

5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: 5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: BanditBacker wrote: Right. Music promoting the Glorification of Violence and degrading women like i said, i don't think that rap does the things you think it does. If you're right about this, then how is it that the whole "pimp" thing is so very popular now, due entirely to rap music? Let's face it, pimps aren't known for having a very enlightened attitude towards women. there have been pimps since the beginning of time. there have been exploited women since the beginning of time. if you are concerned about people basing their actions on works of art, tipper, then you should start a censorship movement and start banning the art you don't like. you don't like rap - fine. don't listen to it. just don't expect me to believe that your dislike of "rap music" has anythign to do with your concern for exploited women. I never said anything about censorship. My issue with rap music was outlined in an earlier post. There is no skill involved. Rappers are possessed of no musical ability. All they do is steal someone else's music and put their own words into it. When they can't think of anything to fit (largely due to poor vocabularies), they just start making up words. No skill. I was merely taking issue with you saying that rap is just "social commentary". While I'm sure that some could be considered as such, the vast majority glorifies criminal behavior, and a negative attitude towards women. I would have thought that you were enlightened enough to understand that. Rather, you've shown that your hypocrisy is trumped only by your desire to argue. FYI-While it's true that prostitution and therefore pimping have been around forever, it's only been recently that being a pimp is seen as desirable. 1) saying rappers have no musical talent is the most ridiculous thing you;ve posted in this thread. some aren't overly talented, but to judge all of them and stereoptype them based on your obvious negative bias toward the genre is totally ridiculous 2) like i said, you take rap as "glorifying criminal behavior" and i take it as an expression of the type of life some people believe they have forced into and social commentary on the injustice in the world. 3) the reason i can accept rap for what it is and you have all these problems with it should be obvious to anyone who reads your posts. 4) i don't see any significantly greater acceptance of pimping as a career now than it was before. there is a reason why you focus on that - maybe you should examine the movitation behind you own beliefs instead of spending so much time question the motivations of others.

You sound just like a politician. You try to turn everything back on me, and make various insinuations to try to hide how ridiculous your own statements are.

The fact is I don't like rap because I'm a musician. I taught myself guitar, bass, and drums. So I don't have any respect for some jackass who only steals other people's music and doesn't even bother trying to learn to write their own.

As regards your bullshit about rap not promoting criminal behavior, I'll leave that for you to discuss with the 6 other people in the entire world that actually believe that.

point A for 5:

VANILLA ICE:

Van Winkle's success also brought legal and personal problems. "Ice Ice Baby" sampled the 1982 Queen and David Bowie collaboration "Under Pressure" without permission, acknowledging credit, or paying royalties.

In addition, Van Winkle's debut single, "Play That Funky Music," had sampled the 1976 Wild Cherry hit of the same name; however, Wild Cherry singer-guitarist Rob Parissi was not credited as the writer of Van Winkle's version of the song, which was instead credited to Ice and DJ Earthquake.[7] According to an interview for VH1's 100 Greatest One Hit Wonders in 2002, Parissi discovered that he had not been credited as a writer on Play That Funky Music.[8] He was later awarded $500,000 in damages.

Meanwhile, members of the national black fraternity Alpha Phi Alpha accused Van Winkle of using the fraternity's chant "Ice ice baby, too cold, too cold," without credit or permission. Van Winkle later denied any knowledge of the fraternity.[9]

T PAIN

Published 6/26/2008 by jackpot at XXL
... coming up with those infections hooks for self. The Auto-Tune champ and SRC Records huncho Steve Rifkind are reportedly being sued for copyright infringement. Three producers filed the suit in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California. The three, Rodney King (the producer), James Reese and Jeff Byrd are alleging that T-Pain’s “I’m N Luv With A Stripper” stole from “Makin’ Luv 2 A Player,” a song the trio produced for Antonio Fargas of Starsky and Hutch fame. [ AHH ]–XXL Staff

AND FOR JC:

ICE T

Despite these sporadic “bad boy” episodes, (BODY COUNT/COP KILLER) Ice-T has become a major spokesman for rap music. He has worked to change the problems he sings about. In 1988 he released an antigang video, and he later testified before a United States congressional committee about the gang problem in South Central Los Angeles. He has toured the nation’s college campuses giving talks about censorship and promoting antidrug and antiviolence campaigns

5forfighting wrote:

jc wrote: 5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: 5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: BanditBacker wrote: Right. Music promoting the Glorification of Violence and degrading women like i said, i don't think that rap does the things you think it does. If you're right about this, then how is it that the whole "pimp" thing is so very popular now, due entirely to rap music? Let's face it, pimps aren't known for having a very enlightened attitude towards women. there have been pimps since the beginning of time. there have been exploited women since the beginning of time. if you are concerned about people basing their actions on works of art, tipper, then you should start a censorship movement and start banning the art you don't like. you don't like rap - fine. don't listen to it. just don't expect me to believe that your dislike of "rap music" has anythign to do with your concern for exploited women. I never said anything about censorship. My issue with rap music was outlined in an earlier post. There is no skill involved. Rappers are possessed of no musical ability. All they do is steal someone else's music and put their own words into it. When they can't think of anything to fit (largely due to poor vocabularies), they just start making up words. No skill. I was merely taking issue with you saying that rap is just "social commentary". While I'm sure that some could be considered as such, the vast majority glorifies criminal behavior, and a negative attitude towards women. I would have thought that you were enlightened enough to understand that. Rather, you've shown that your hypocrisy is trumped only by your desire to argue. FYI-While it's true that prostitution and therefore pimping have been around forever, it's only been recently that being a pimp is seen as desirable. 1) saying rappers have no musical talent is the most ridiculous thing you;ve posted in this thread. some aren't overly talented, but to judge all of them and stereoptype them based on your obvious negative bias toward the genre is totally ridiculous 2) like i said, you take rap as "glorifying criminal behavior" and i take it as an expression of the type of life some people believe they have forced into and social commentary on the injustice in the world. 3) the reason i can accept rap for what it is and you have all these problems with it should be obvious to anyone who reads your posts. 4) i don't see any significantly greater acceptance of pimping as a career now than it was before. there is a reason why you focus on that - maybe you should examine the movitation behind you own beliefs instead of spending so much time question the motivations of others. You sound just like a politician. You try to turn everything back on me, and make various insinuations to try to hide how ridiculous your own statements are. The fact is I don't like rap because I'm a musician. I taught myself guitar, bass, and drums. So I don't have any respect for some jackass who only steals other people's music and doesn't even bother trying to learn to write their own. As regards your bullshit about rap not promoting criminal behavior, I'll leave that for you to discuss with the 6 other people in the entire world that actually believe that.

you have to be the most ignorantly biased person on this board. you are so pathetic you don't even know when you are being a bigot (at least fred knows that much).
for one thing, plenty of rappers write their own songs. i;m not going to check ever label for the names of the song writers, but i know that most of the major artists either write their won material or use songs witten for them. beyond that, hundreds, if not thousands, of non-rappers have and continue to record music they did not write. in fact, many early white rock artist got theri start recorded songs written by black artists, many of which were never attributed to the writer. most obviously, there is a very common practice where one artist "covers" some other artist's song.
your statement about how many people think rap "glorifies" criminal behavior needs to be amended. it shoudl say "there are only 6 racist, bigoted, old white guys (and tipper) who think rap doesn't glorify criminal behavior".
like i said, you need to look at the real reasons why you hate this music so much. and you don't neded to tell nme when you know that. i have long since figured it out.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_3_how_hip_hop.html

here this will help the great scratch a record make a song debate!!

stoney wrote:

point A for 5: VANILLA ICE: Van Winkle's success also brought legal and personal problems. "Ice Ice Baby" sampled the 1982 Queen and David Bowie collaboration "Under Pressure" without permission, acknowledging credit, or paying royalties. In addition, Van Winkle's debut single, "Play That Funky Music," had sampled the 1976 Wild Cherry hit of the same name; however, Wild Cherry singer-guitarist Rob Parissi was not credited as the writer of Van Winkle's version of the song, which was instead credited to Ice and DJ Earthquake.[7] According to an interview for VH1's 100 Greatest One Hit Wonders in 2002, Parissi discovered that he had not been credited as a writer on Play That Funky Music.[8] He was later awarded $500,000 in damages. Meanwhile, members of the national black fraternity Alpha Phi Alpha accused Van Winkle of using the fraternity's chant "Ice ice baby, too cold, too cold," without credit or permission. Van Winkle later denied any knowledge of the fraternity.[9] T PAIN Published 6/26/2008 by jackpot at XXL ... coming up with those infections hooks for self. The Auto-Tune champ and SRC Records huncho Steve Rifkind are reportedly being sued for copyright infringement. Three producers filed the suit in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California. The three, Rodney King (the producer), James Reese and Jeff Byrd are alleging that T-Pain’s “I’m N Luv With A Stripper” stole from “Makin’ Luv 2 A Player,” a song the trio produced for Antonio Fargas of Starsky and Hutch fame. [ AHH ]–XXL Staff AND FOR JC: ICE T Despite these sporadic “bad boy” episodes, (BODY COUNT/COP KILLER) Ice-T has become a major spokesman for rap music. He has worked to change the problems he sings about. In 1988 he released an antigang video, and he later testified before a United States congressional committee about the gang problem in South Central Los Angeles. He has toured the nation’s college campuses giving talks about censorship and promoting antidrug and antiviolence campaigns

That's pretty awesome about Ice T. I'm surprised more rappers don't get involved in things like this. Of course, that might hurt album sales by destroying their "street cred". For what it's worth, Ice T's work with Body Count was awesome! I was just listening to them the other day.

stoney wrote:

point A for 5: VANILLA ICE: Van Winkle's success also brought legal and personal problems. "Ice Ice Baby" sampled the 1982 Queen and David Bowie collaboration "Under Pressure" without permission, acknowledging credit, or paying royalties. In addition, Van Winkle's debut single, "Play That Funky Music," had sampled the 1976 Wild Cherry hit of the same name; however, Wild Cherry singer-guitarist Rob Parissi was not credited as the writer of Van Winkle's version of the song, which was instead credited to Ice and DJ Earthquake.[7] According to an interview for VH1's 100 Greatest One Hit Wonders in 2002, Parissi discovered that he had not been credited as a writer on Play That Funky Music.[8] He was later awarded $500,000 in damages. Meanwhile, members of the national black fraternity Alpha Phi Alpha accused Van Winkle of using the fraternity's chant "Ice ice baby, too cold, too cold," without credit or permission. Van Winkle later denied any knowledge of the fraternity.[9] T PAIN Published 6/26/2008 by jackpot at XXL ... coming up with those infections hooks for self. The Auto-Tune champ and SRC Records huncho Steve Rifkind are reportedly being sued for copyright infringement. Three producers filed the suit in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California. The three, Rodney King (the producer), James Reese and Jeff Byrd are alleging that T-Pain’s “I’m N Luv With A Stripper” stole from “Makin’ Luv 2 A Player,” a song the trio produced for Antonio Fargas of Starsky and Hutch fame. [ AHH ]–XXL Staff AND FOR JC: ICE T Despite these sporadic “bad boy” episodes, (BODY COUNT/COP KILLER) Ice-T has become a major spokesman for rap music. He has worked to change the problems he sings about. In 1988 he released an antigang video, and he later testified before a United States congressional committee about the gang problem in South Central Los Angeles. He has toured the nation’s college campuses giving talks about censorship and promoting antidrug and antiviolence campaigns

there is plenty of stealing other people's music going on and there has been as long as there's been music. for god's sake, 'ghostbusters' was 'i need a new drug'. the problem i have with it is 5's steroptyping all rappers by saying that's all any of them do (a flat out lie) and his obviously biased perspective on rap. what we really need to know is why people like 5for can get so up in arms about rappers sampling other people's music and singing about less than mainstream subject matter, but he totally ignores the very same things that are being done by non-rappers all over the place. like i said, i already know the answer to that.

5forfighting wrote:

stoney wrote: point A for 5: VANILLA ICE: Van Winkle's success also brought legal and personal problems. "Ice Ice Baby" sampled the 1982 Queen and David Bowie collaboration "Under Pressure" without permission, acknowledging credit, or paying royalties. In addition, Van Winkle's debut single, "Play That Funky Music," had sampled the 1976 Wild Cherry hit of the same name; however, Wild Cherry singer-guitarist Rob Parissi was not credited as the writer of Van Winkle's version of the song, which was instead credited to Ice and DJ Earthquake.[7] According to an interview for VH1's 100 Greatest One Hit Wonders in 2002, Parissi discovered that he had not been credited as a writer on Play That Funky Music.[8] He was later awarded $500,000 in damages. Meanwhile, members of the national black fraternity Alpha Phi Alpha accused Van Winkle of using the fraternity's chant "Ice ice baby, too cold, too cold," without credit or permission. Van Winkle later denied any knowledge of the fraternity.[9] T PAIN Published 6/26/2008 by jackpot at XXL ... coming up with those infections hooks for self. The Auto-Tune champ and SRC Records huncho Steve Rifkind are reportedly being sued for copyright infringement. Three producers filed the suit in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California. The three, Rodney King (the producer), James Reese and Jeff Byrd are alleging that T-Pain’s “I’m N Luv With A Stripper” stole from “Makin’ Luv 2 A Player,” a song the trio produced for Antonio Fargas of Starsky and Hutch fame. [ AHH ]–XXL Staff AND FOR JC: ICE T Despite these sporadic “bad boy” episodes, (BODY COUNT/COP KILLER) Ice-T has become a major spokesman for rap music. He has worked to change the problems he sings about. In 1988 he released an antigang video, and he later testified before a United States congressional committee about the gang problem in South Central Los Angeles. He has toured the nation’s college campuses giving talks about censorship and promoting antidrug and antiviolence campaigns That's pretty awesome about Ice T. I'm surprised more rappers don't get involved in things like this.

yeah, tipper, and 'black sabbath', 'judas priest' and all the other devil worshipping bands should start preaching christianity to help their fans overcome the devil worshipping they started doing after listening to their songs

damn those fucking thieving rappers

"ATLANTA (Associated Press) -- A founder of the band Sugarland is suing the two current members of the popular group for $1.5 million.
According to a lawsuit filed late last month in U.S. District Court in Atlanta, Kristen Hall was to get a cut of the group's profits even after she left in 2005 for a solo career."



oh wait, those aren't rappers. sorry, 5!

jc wrote:

you have to be the most ignorantly biased person on this board. you are so pathetic you don't even know when you are being a bigot (at least fred knows that much). for one thing, plenty of rappers write their own songs. i;m not going to check ever label for the names of the song writers, but i know that most of the major artists either write their won material or use songs witten for them. beyond that, hundreds, if not thousands, of non-rappers have and continue to record music they did not write. in fact, many early white rock artist got theri start recorded songs written by black artists, many of which were never attributed to the writer. most obviously, there is a very common practice where one artist "covers" some other artist's song. your statement about how many people think rap "glorifies" criminal behavior needs to be amended. it shoudl say "there are only 6 racist, bigoted, old white guys (and tipper) who think rap doesn't glorify criminal behavior". like i said, you need to look at the real reasons why you hate this music so much. and you don't neded to tell nme when you know that. i have long since figured it out.

You can call me ignorant all you want, but there is no way anyone can be as ignorant as you. Add in your hypocrisy and you have the makings of some pretty comical posts.

Race has nothing to do with it (as you like to keep trying to imply). I thought Vanilla Ice and Ememem sucked just as much as 50 cent. In fact, the only rap groups that I actually have any respect for are NWA, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, Run DMC, and the Beastie Boys. (You may notice that three out of the four groups are black. The difference is, when they did it, it was original and new. The Furious Five and NWA in particular actually were discussing what was going on and bringing attention to it when no one else was. Now it's been said... Maybe someone should talk about how to fix the problems instead of just talking about how cool their gang is. Run DMC just had some pretty good stuff & with the Beastie Boys I primarily dig their old punk stuff (plus, they can play their own instruments). Now everything I hear is just more regurgitated bullshit, trying to sell records.

And you are a supreme idiot if you actually believe that most rap doesn't promote violence. Sure, gangs existed long before rap. But when the people these kids look up to are shown in videos talking about killing, pimping, and dealing drugs, while being shown throwing around money and driving nice cars, and being surrounded by women, what kind of image to you think that sets? The more these kids are bombarded with these images, the more normal it becomes to them.

I also don't support "musicians" of ANY genre who can't come up with their own music. It's that simple. For one, there are very few current mainstream artists that I can even stand. I primarily listen to indie artists who do their own music, free of the influence of major label marketing. My band doesn't record anyone else's songs... Just originals. And if you heard anything we play, you'd know that I don't support censorship. A good portion of our set is incredibly obscene. But we also play at 21+ clubs and don't market to kids. I don't think any music should be banned, but I have no problem with it being labelled so parents know what their kids are listening to. To me it's no different than labelling a movie, a video game, etc.

jc wrote:

yeah, tipper, and 'black sabbath', 'judas priest' and all the other devil worshipping bands should start preaching christianity to help their fans overcome the devil worshipping they started doing after listening to their songs

And we see a return to jc's childish bullshit. It tends to happen everytime he starts looking foolish (which is invariably).

5forfighting wrote:

jc wrote: you have to be the most ignorantly biased person on this board. you are so pathetic you don't even know when you are being a bigot (at least fred knows that much). for one thing, plenty of rappers write their own songs. i;m not going to check ever label for the names of the song writers, but i know that most of the major artists either write their won material or use songs witten for them. beyond that, hundreds, if not thousands, of non-rappers have and continue to record music they did not write. in fact, many early white rock artist got theri start recorded songs written by black artists, many of which were never attributed to the writer. most obviously, there is a very common practice where one artist "covers" some other artist's song. your statement about how many people think rap "glorifies" criminal behavior needs to be amended. it shoudl say "there are only 6 racist, bigoted, old white guys (and tipper) who think rap doesn't glorify criminal behavior". like i said, you need to look at the real reasons why you hate this music so much. and you don't neded to tell nme when you know that. i have long since figured it out. You can call me ignorant all you want, but there is no way anyone can be as ignorant as you. Add in your hypocrisy and you have the makings of some pretty comical posts. Race has nothing to do with it (as you like to keep trying to imply). I thought Vanilla Ice and Ememem sucked just as much as 50 cent. In fact, the only rap groups that I actually have any respect for are NWA, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, Run DMC, and the Beastie Boys. (You may notice that three out of the four groups are black. The difference is, when they did it, it was original and new. The Furious Five and NWA in particular actually were discussing what was going on and bringing attention to it when no one else was. Now it's been said... Maybe someone should talk about how to fix the problems instead of just talking about how cool their gang is. Run DMC just had some pretty good stuff & with the Beastie Boys I primarily dig their old punk stuff (plus, they can play their own instruments). Now everything I hear is just more regurgitated bullshit, trying to sell records. And you are a supreme idiot if you actually believe that most rap doesn't promote violence. Sure, gangs existed long before rap. But when the people these kids look up to are shown in videos talking about killing, pimping, and dealing drugs, while being shown throwing around money and driving nice cars, and being surrounded by women, what kind of image to you think that sets? The more these kids are bombarded with these images, the more normal it becomes to them. I also don't support "musicians" of ANY genre who can't come up with their own music. It's that simple. For one, there are very few current mainstream artists that I can even stand. I primarily listen to indie artists who do their own music, free of the influence of major label marketing. My band doesn't record anyone else's songs... Just originals. And if you heard anything we play, you'd know that I don't support censorship. A good portion of our set is incredibly obscene. But we also play at 21+ clubs and don't market to kids. I don't think any music should be banned, but I have no problem with it being labelled so parents know what their kids are listening to. To me it's no different than labelling a movie, a video game, etc.

i have long observed in your posts a very deep understanding of black culture and, in particular, a high level of empathy with the specific problems and issues that impact on black people in america.
your taste in music is certainly something you are entitled to. what you are not entitled to do is get on a public message board and stereotype all the music you don't like as coming from thiefs and people who are promoting violence. for someone who claims to be an artist, you seem to know nothing about art. all you really seem to want to do is act like you are the judge and arbiter of all music and to complain about a predominately black genre of music while ignoring the same behavior from predominately white artists (one of whom apparently is you).
the next time you feel like calling someone a hypocrite you need to go back and read this post of yours. in it, you specifally say that you do the very same things that you are bitching about the black guys doing. if that isn't hypocracy i don't know what is.

5forfighting wrote:

jc wrote: yeah, tipper, and 'black sabbath', 'judas priest' and all the other devil worshipping bands should start preaching christianity to help their fans overcome the devil worshipping they started doing after listening to their songs And we see a return to jc's childish bullshit. It tends to happen everytime he starts looking foolish (which is invariably).

instead of peddling the bullshit, 5, why not explain why you don't complain about the white guy's devil worhip music right along with the black guy's "violence promoting" music. oh wait, i already know the answer to that. neveeer miiind!

jc wrote:

5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: you have to be the most ignorantly biased person on this board. you are so pathetic you don't even know when you are being a bigot (at least fred knows that much). for one thing, plenty of rappers write their own songs. i;m not going to check ever label for the names of the song writers, but i know that most of the major artists either write their won material or use songs witten for them. beyond that, hundreds, if not thousands, of non-rappers have and continue to record music they did not write. in fact, many early white rock artist got theri start recorded songs written by black artists, many of which were never attributed to the writer. most obviously, there is a very common practice where one artist "covers" some other artist's song. your statement about how many people think rap "glorifies" criminal behavior needs to be amended. it shoudl say "there are only 6 racist, bigoted, old white guys (and tipper) who think rap doesn't glorify criminal behavior". like i said, you need to look at the real reasons why you hate this music so much. and you don't neded to tell nme when you know that. i have long since figured it out. You can call me ignorant all you want, but there is no way anyone can be as ignorant as you. Add in your hypocrisy and you have the makings of some pretty comical posts. Race has nothing to do with it (as you like to keep trying to imply). I thought Vanilla Ice and Ememem sucked just as much as 50 cent. In fact, the only rap groups that I actually have any respect for are NWA, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, Run DMC, and the Beastie Boys. (You may notice that three out of the four groups are black. The difference is, when they did it, it was original and new. The Furious Five and NWA in particular actually were discussing what was going on and bringing attention to it when no one else was. Now it's been said... Maybe someone should talk about how to fix the problems instead of just talking about how cool their gang is. Run DMC just had some pretty good stuff & with the Beastie Boys I primarily dig their old punk stuff (plus, they can play their own instruments). Now everything I hear is just more regurgitated bullshit, trying to sell records. And you are a supreme idiot if you actually believe that most rap doesn't promote violence. Sure, gangs existed long before rap. But when the people these kids look up to are shown in videos talking about killing, pimping, and dealing drugs, while being shown throwing around money and driving nice cars, and being surrounded by women, what kind of image to you think that sets? The more these kids are bombarded with these images, the more normal it becomes to them. I also don't support "musicians" of ANY genre who can't come up with their own music. It's that simple. For one, there are very few current mainstream artists that I can even stand. I primarily listen to indie artists who do their own music, free of the influence of major label marketing. My band doesn't record anyone else's songs... Just originals. And if you heard anything we play, you'd know that I don't support censorship. A good portion of our set is incredibly obscene. But we also play at 21+ clubs and don't market to kids. I don't think any music should be banned, but I have no problem with it being labelled so parents know what their kids are listening to. To me it's no different than labelling a movie, a video game, etc. i have long observed in your posts a very deep understanding of black culture and, in particular, a high level of empathy with the specific problems and issues that impact on black people in america. your taste in music is certainly something you are entitled to. what you are not entitled to do is get on a public message board and stereotype all the music you don't like as coming from thiefs and people who are promoting violence. for someone who claims to be an artist, you seem to know nothing about art. all you really seem to want to do is act like you are the judge and arbiter of all music and to complain about a predominately black genre of music while ignoring the same behavior from predominately white artists (one of whom apparently is you). the next time you feel like calling someone a hypocrite you need to go back and read this post of yours. in it, you specifally say that you do the very same things that you are bitching about the black guys doing. if that isn't hypocracy i don't know what is.

A. When did I say I was an artist? I'm a musician. I don't consider myself an artist.

B. When did I say that I do the same thing the rappers do? Did I say that I steal other's music? Did I say that I promote violence to kids? Or did I say that I write my own music and that my band only plays at 21 and over clubs?

C. I didn't address all music genres because they weren't being discussed. Rap was. You're either a fucking idiot or you suffer from Alzheimers if you are having this much difficulty following the conversation. I'm fully aware that there are thieves everywhere in music. The big difference is that rap is an entire genre built upon stealing. It's all pre-programmed beats, "sampled" melodies, and someone who lacks the ability to sing talking over the music and, in many cases, making up words because they lack a functional vocabulary.

jc wrote:

5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: yeah, tipper, and 'black sabbath', 'judas priest' and all the other devil worshipping bands should start preaching christianity to help their fans overcome the devil worshipping they started doing after listening to their songs And we see a return to jc's childish bullshit. It tends to happen everytime he starts looking foolish (which is invariably). instead of peddling the bullshit, 5, why not explain why you don't complain about the white guy's devil worhip music right along with the black guy's "violence promoting" music. oh wait, i already know the answer to that. neveeer miiind!

Because I don't care if someone worships the devil. They aren't the ones pulling drive-bys.

those dirty music stealing rapper are at it again

"The Moldy Peaches have discovered one of their songs has become a hit in South America (after being used in a toothpaste commercial) – and the duo knew nothing about it."

oh wait, do south american toothpaste companies qualify as rappers. hmmmm.....maybe not. neveeer miiind!

jc wrote:

those dirty music stealing rapper are at it again "The Moldy Peaches have discovered one of their songs has become a hit in South America (after being used in a toothpaste commercial) – and the duo knew nothing about it." oh wait, do south american toothpaste companies qualify as rappers. hmmmm.....maybe not. neveeer miiind!

I'm curious to know if you're aware at how stupid you are making yourself look?

5forfighting wrote:

jc wrote: 5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: yeah, tipper, and 'black sabbath', 'judas priest' and all the other devil worshipping bands should start preaching christianity to help their fans overcome the devil worshipping they started doing after listening to their songs And we see a return to jc's childish bullshit. It tends to happen everytime he starts looking foolish (which is invariably). instead of peddling the bullshit, 5, why not explain why you don't complain about the white guy's devil worhip music right along with the black guy's "violence promoting" music. oh wait, i already know the answer to that. neveeer miiind! Because I don't care if someone worships the devil. They aren't the ones pulling drive-bys.

but the devil worshippers are sacrificing innocent babies to devil gods and leading our young people away from the word of the holy baby jesus. surely you don't think those a good things.
just admit it, 5, you have two separate standards, one for the black guy's music and one for the white guy's music.