jc wrote:

5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: 5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: yeah, tipper, and 'black sabbath', 'judas priest' and all the other devil worshipping bands should start preaching christianity to help their fans overcome the devil worshipping they started doing after listening to their songs And we see a return to jc's childish bullshit. It tends to happen everytime he starts looking foolish (which is invariably). instead of peddling the bullshit, 5, why not explain why you don't complain about the white guy's devil worhip music right along with the black guy's "violence promoting" music. oh wait, i already know the answer to that. neveeer miiind! Because I don't care if someone worships the devil. They aren't the ones pulling drive-bys. but the devil worshippers are sacrificing innocent babies to devil gods and leading our young people away from the word of the holy baby jesus. surely you don't think those a good things. just admit it, 5, you have two separate standards, one for the black guy's music and one for the white guy's music.

It's obvious that you know even less about Satanism than you do about me.

jc wrote:

5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: those dirty music stealing rapper are at it again "The Moldy Peaches have discovered one of their songs has become a hit in South America (after being used in a toothpaste commercial) – and the duo knew nothing about it." oh wait, do south american toothpaste companies qualify as rappers. hmmmm.....maybe not. neveeer miiind! I'm curious to know if you're aware at how stupid you are making yourself look? better go back and read that post where you admit that you are a hypocrite, 5. remember, you are the one who decided to rag on rappers for "stealing other people's music", but to ignore it when the white guys (or south americans) do it. i'm just setting the record straight. all rappers don't steal other people's music and people other than rappers steal as much as the few rappers who do.

And again, you show you lack reading comprehension. Rap was being discussed, so that's what I discussed. When other genres come up in conversation, I'll discuss those.

You can say I'm being hypocritical all you want... It doesn't make it true. It's obvious that you're just trying to turn it back on me since I pointed out your hypocrisy.

5forfighting wrote:

jc wrote: 5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: you have to be the most ignorantly biased person on this board. you are so pathetic you don't even know when you are being a bigot (at least fred knows that much). for one thing, plenty of rappers write their own songs. i;m not going to check ever label for the names of the song writers, but i know that most of the major artists either write their won material or use songs witten for them. beyond that, hundreds, if not thousands, of non-rappers have and continue to record music they did not write. in fact, many early white rock artist got theri start recorded songs written by black artists, many of which were never attributed to the writer. most obviously, there is a very common practice where one artist "covers" some other artist's song. your statement about how many people think rap "glorifies" criminal behavior needs to be amended. it shoudl say "there are only 6 racist, bigoted, old white guys (and tipper) who think rap doesn't glorify criminal behavior". like i said, you need to look at the real reasons why you hate this music so much. and you don't neded to tell nme when you know that. i have long since figured it out. You can call me ignorant all you want, but there is no way anyone can be as ignorant as you. Add in your hypocrisy and you have the makings of some pretty comical posts. Race has nothing to do with it (as you like to keep trying to imply). I thought Vanilla Ice and Ememem sucked just as much as 50 cent. In fact, the only rap groups that I actually have any respect for are NWA, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, Run DMC, and the Beastie Boys. (You may notice that three out of the four groups are black. The difference is, when they did it, it was original and new. The Furious Five and NWA in particular actually were discussing what was going on and bringing attention to it when no one else was. Now it's been said... Maybe someone should talk about how to fix the problems instead of just talking about how cool their gang is. Run DMC just had some pretty good stuff & with the Beastie Boys I primarily dig their old punk stuff (plus, they can play their own instruments). Now everything I hear is just more regurgitated bullshit, trying to sell records. And you are a supreme idiot if you actually believe that most rap doesn't promote violence. Sure, gangs existed long before rap. But when the people these kids look up to are shown in videos talking about killing, pimping, and dealing drugs, while being shown throwing around money and driving nice cars, and being surrounded by women, what kind of image to you think that sets? The more these kids are bombarded with these images, the more normal it becomes to them. I also don't support "musicians" of ANY genre who can't come up with their own music. It's that simple. For one, there are very few current mainstream artists that I can even stand. I primarily listen to indie artists who do their own music, free of the influence of major label marketing. My band doesn't record anyone else's songs... Just originals. And if you heard anything we play, you'd know that I don't support censorship. A good portion of our set is incredibly obscene. But we also play at 21+ clubs and don't market to kids. I don't think any music should be banned, but I have no problem with it being labelled so parents know what their kids are listening to. To me it's no different than labelling a movie, a video game, etc. i have long observed in your posts a very deep understanding of black culture and, in particular, a high level of empathy with the specific problems and issues that impact on black people in america. your taste in music is certainly something you are entitled to. what you are not entitled to do is get on a public message board and stereotype all the music you don't like as coming from thiefs and people who are promoting violence. for someone who claims to be an artist, you seem to know nothing about art. all you really seem to want to do is act like you are the judge and arbiter of all music and to complain about a predominately black genre of music while ignoring the same behavior from predominately white artists (one of whom apparently is you). the next time you feel like calling someone a hypocrite you need to go back and read this post of yours. in it, you specifally say that you do the very same things that you are bitching about the black guys doing. if that isn't hypocracy i don't know what is. A. When did I say I was an artist? I'm a musician. I don't consider myself an artist. B. When did I say that I do the same thing the rappers do? Did I say that I steal other's music? Did I say that I promote violence to kids? Or did I say that I write my own music and that my band only plays at 21 and over clubs? C. I didn't address all music genres because they weren't being discussed. Rap was. You're either a fucking idiot or you suffer from Alzheimers if you are having this much difficulty following the conversation. I'm fully aware that there are thieves everywhere in music. The big difference is that rap is an entire genre built upon stealing. It's all pre-programmed beats, "sampled" melodies, and someone who lacks the ability to sing talking over the music and, in many cases, making up words because they lack a functional vocabulary.

when you accuse a predomintatley black genre of music of being based entirely on "stealing other people's music" and you say that the artists "lack a functional vocabulary" you show pretty clearly where you are really coming from. especially when you totally ignore the very same things when white musicians (including you) do them. there is a reason you don't like rap, but i'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with concerns about the (non-existent) increase in pimping or with violent rap lyrics.

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5forfighting wrote:

jc wrote: 5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: those dirty music stealing rapper are at it again "The Moldy Peaches have discovered one of their songs has become a hit in South America (after being used in a toothpaste commercial) – and the duo knew nothing about it." oh wait, do south american toothpaste companies qualify as rappers. hmmmm.....maybe not. neveeer miiind! I'm curious to know if you're aware at how stupid you are making yourself look? better go back and read that post where you admit that you are a hypocrite, 5. remember, you are the one who decided to rag on rappers for "stealing other people's music", but to ignore it when the white guys (or south americans) do it. i'm just setting the record straight. all rappers don't steal other people's music and people other than rappers steal as much as the few rappers who do. And again, you show you lack reading comprehension. Rap was being discussed, so that's what I discussed. When other genres come up in conversation, I'll discuss those. You can say I'm being hypocritical all you want... It doesn't make it true. It's obvious that you're just trying to turn it back on me since I pointed out your hypocrisy.

you need to stop lying and take a hard look at your beliefs. there is a reason that you talk only about rappers when many musical genre's use violent and misogenistic lyrics.

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5forfighting wrote:

jc wrote: 5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: 5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: yeah, tipper, and 'black sabbath', 'judas priest' and all the other devil worshipping bands should start preaching christianity to help their fans overcome the devil worshipping they started doing after listening to their songs And we see a return to jc's childish bullshit. It tends to happen everytime he starts looking foolish (which is invariably). instead of peddling the bullshit, 5, why not explain why you don't complain about the white guy's devil worhip music right along with the black guy's "violence promoting" music. oh wait, i already know the answer to that. neveeer miiind! Because I don't care if someone worships the devil. They aren't the ones pulling drive-bys. but the devil worshippers are sacrificing innocent babies to devil gods and leading our young people away from the word of the holy baby jesus. surely you don't think those a good things. just admit it, 5, you have two separate standards, one for the black guy's music and one for the white guy's music. It's obvious that you know even less about Satanism than you do about me.

it is obvious that you can't tell sarcasm from satanism.

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jc wrote:

Kermie wrote: Tipper wasn't against the music but rather wanted the parents to know what their child is buying.You have ratings on movies for that very same resason.Also jc for you to tag must of everyone on here as a racist,sexist it surprises me you would defend the lyrics of most rap music. tipper gore wanted to censor music she objected to. you trying to make her sound like some sort of savior of our children does a disservice to the people who actually are concerned about children. rap does indeed have racist and misogynistic lyrics. i think i said that in one of my previous posts. if i didn't i will say it now. i believe that is a social commentary on the racism and exploitation that occurs to black people every day of their lives. there is a reason why peole feel the way they do and there are reasons why that is expressed in theri art. if you spent as much time trying to determine what it was about instead of condeming and demeaning it maybe you would understand it. but that would require that you open up your mind to something different than what you want to believe. and that is something some people are simply incapable of doing.

1st let me say I am against censorship

2nd jc your wrong,Tipper Gore wanted warning lables or ratings on music in which I believe every parent should have that right to know .

You know what Amazes me?? BanditBacker and Fred and their Racist Attitudes on a Message Board cause all the problems in the world today.

While Rappers and their millions of records sold have no effect at all.

I guess them Darkies are worth even less than I thought.

Oh, and one quick Question for 5ForFighting.....

Who won last years Grammy for best Devil Worshiping Album?

fucking sorry ass rappers - putting a cop with head wound on their album cover



uh-oh, i'm sorry, 5, this is actually a (kinda' white) heavy metal band. neveeer miiind!

BanditBacker wrote:

You know what Amazes me?? BanditBacker and Fred and their Racist Attitudes on a Message Board cause all the problems in the world today. While Rappers and their millions of records sold have no effect at all. I guess them Darkies are worth even less than I thought.

i guess i missed the part where someone said that rappers have no effect at all. in fact, i'm pretty sure i said they do an effect.

Kermie wrote:

2nd jc your wrong,Tipper Gore wanted warning lables or ratings on music in which I believe every parent should have that right to know .

sorry, kerm, you are being naive and far too kind to tipper and the pmrc. they did advocate censorship. and they even achieved a little bit of it.

-from a Washington Post article-
Suggestions made by the PMRC included: printing warnings and lyrics on album covers, forcing record stores to put albums with explicit covers under the counters, pressuring television stations not to broadcast explicit songs or videos, "reassess[ing]" the contracts of musicians who performed violently or sexually in concert, and creating a panel to set industry standards. This article led to the removal of rock music and magazines from American stores including Wal-Mart, J.C. Penney, Sears, and Fred Meyer.

those fucking bastard rappers. now they're promoting suicide and encouraging families to kill each other.



oh shit, this isn't rappers. it's that (very white) fucking bastard shakespeare. neveeer miiind!

jc wrote:

Kermie wrote: 2nd jc your wrong,Tipper Gore wanted warning lables or ratings on music in which I believe every parent should have that right to know . sorry, kerm, you are being naive and far too kind to tipper and the pmrc. they did advocate censorship. and they even achieved a little bit of it. -from a Washington Post article- Suggestions made by the PMRC included: printing warnings and lyrics on album covers, forcing record stores to put albums with explicit covers under the counters, pressuring television stations not to broadcast explicit songs or videos, "reassess[ing]" the contracts of musicians who performed violently or sexually in concert, and creating a panel to set industry standards. This article led to the removal of rock music and magazines from American stores including Wal-Mart, J.C. Penney, Sears, and Fred Meyer.

The Wal -Mart that is about 5 miles from my front door sales any type of music you want. Can't speak for Sears , jc penny's and I have never heard of Fred Meyer.What is so funny jc you just prove me right and you don't even know it.

Kermie wrote:

jc wrote: Kermie wrote: 2nd jc your wrong,Tipper Gore wanted warning lables or ratings on music in which I believe every parent should have that right to know . sorry, kerm, you are being naive and far too kind to tipper and the pmrc. they did advocate censorship. and they even achieved a little bit of it. -from a Washington Post article- Suggestions made by the PMRC included: printing warnings and lyrics on album covers, forcing record stores to put albums with explicit covers under the counters, pressuring television stations not to broadcast explicit songs or videos, "reassess[ing]" the contracts of musicians who performed violently or sexually in concert, and creating a panel to set industry standards. This article led to the removal of rock music and magazines from American stores including Wal-Mart, J.C. Penney, Sears, and Fred Meyer. The Wal -Mart that is about 5 miles from my front door sales any type of music you want. Can't speak for Sears , jc penny's and I have never heard of Fred Meyer.What is so funny jc you just prove me right and you don't even know it.

this was many, many years ago. so what if walmart, jc pennys and whoever have changed their policies since then. why are you lying to protect tipper's reputation? she advocated cesnorship. there are specific statements from the pmrc proving that. you are wrong. man up and admit it.

jc wrote:

when you accuse a predomintatley black genre of music of being based entirely on "stealing other people's music" and you say that the artists "lack a functional vocabulary" you show pretty clearly where you are really coming from. especially when you totally ignore the very same things when white musicians (including you) do them. there is a reason you don't like rap, but i'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with concerns about the (non-existent) increase in pimping or with violent rap lyrics.

Let me try to explain this one more time to your dumb ass, and then I'm done:

1. I was talking about rap, because rap was being discussed.
2. It's a widely accepted fact that the majority of rap is rooted in stealing or "sampling" other people's music.
3. If you have to resort to making up words when you can't think of anything to rhyme, that definitely points to a lack of vocabulary.
4. I've repeatedly stated that I don't care for rap as a genre, regardless of the performer's race.
5. In my music, I don't make up words, nor do I steal from others, so I haven't said that I do the same thing.
6. The fact that you automatically assume that stealing and a sub-par vocabulary are inherrently black traits says far more about you than it does me.

5forfighting wrote:

jc wrote: when you accuse a predomintatley black genre of music of being based entirely on "stealing other people's music" and you say that the artists "lack a functional vocabulary" you show pretty clearly where you are really coming from. especially when you totally ignore the very same things when white musicians (including you) do them. there is a reason you don't like rap, but i'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with concerns about the (non-existent) increase in pimping or with violent rap lyrics. Let me try to explain this one more time to your dumb ass, and then I'm done: 1. I was talking about rap, because rap was being discussed. 2. It's a widely accepted fact that the majority of rap is rooted in stealing or "sampling" other people's music. 3. If you have to resort to making up words when you can't think of anything to rhyme, that definitely points to a lack of vocabulary. 4. I've repeatedly stated that I don't care for rap as a genre, regardless of the performer's race. 5. In my music, I don't make up words, nor do I steal from others, so I haven't said that I do the same thing. 6. The fact that you automatically assume that stealing and a sub-par vocabulary are inherrently black traits says far more about you than it does me.

1. why do you keep telling this same old lie. you frequently go off topic to criticize blacks (or join in when it's done by fred and bb). you are right, though, you do not go off topic to criticize whites when the topic is about blacks. at any rate, you can always be counted on to find something bad to say about blacks, no matter what the topic.
2. It's a widely accepted fact BY YOU and other bigots that the majority of rap is rooted in stealing or "sampling" other people's music. like i said, musicians of all types do this, yet blacks musicians are the only ones you choose to criticize.
3. a racist steroptype if ever there was one. i hope you aren't going to tell us now about the highly sophisticated lyrics of heavy metal or the erudite vocabularies of all the high school drop out rockers and metalists.
4. that is the bottom line of this. you don't care for rap. the fact that it is a predominatley black genre of music is just coincidental. you make me
5. you said your music has adult themes and lyrics that are unsuitable for kids. i guess your adult themes themes and lyrics are just better than the black guy's, eh.
6. i'm not assuming anything. i KNOW exactly what and whom you are talking about. the assumptions are in your stereoptyping of rap music based on your own biases. [/quote]

5forfighting wrote:

jc wrote: when you accuse a predomintatley black genre of music of being based entirely on "stealing other people's music" and you say that the artists "lack a functional vocabulary" you show pretty clearly where you are really coming from. especially when you totally ignore the very same things when white musicians (including you) do them. there is a reason you don't like rap, but i'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with concerns about the (non-existent) increase in pimping or with violent rap lyrics. Let me try to explain this one more time to your dumb ass, and then I'm done: 1. I was talking about rap, because rap was being discussed. 2. It's a widely accepted fact that the majority of rap is rooted in stealing or "sampling" other people's music. 3. If you have to resort to making up words when you can't think of anything to rhyme, that definitely points to a lack of vocabulary. 4. I've repeatedly stated that I don't care for rap as a genre, regardless of the performer's race. 5. In my music, I don't make up words, nor do I steal from others, so I haven't said that I do the same thing. 6. The fact that you automatically assume that stealing and a sub-par vocabulary are inherrently black traits says far more about you than it does me.

1. why do you keep telling this same old lie. you frequently go off topic to criticize blacks (or join in when it's done by fred and bb). you are right, though, you do not go off topic to criticize whites when the topic is about blacks. at any rate, you can always be counted on to find something bad to say about blacks, no matter what the topic.
2. It's a widely accepted fact BY YOU and other bigots that the majority of rap is rooted in stealing or "sampling" other people's music. like i said, musicians of all types do this, yet blacks musicians are the only ones you choose to criticize.
3. a racist steroptype if ever there was one. i hope you aren't going to tell us now about the highly sophisticated lyrics of heavy metal or the erudite vocabularies of all the high school drop out rockers and metalists.
4. that is the bottom line of this. you don't care for rap. the fact that it is a predominatley black genre of music is just coincidental. you make me
5. you said your music has adult themes and lyrics that are unsuitable for kids. i guess your adult themes themes and lyrics are just better than the black guy's, eh.
6. i'm not assuming anything. i KNOW exactly what and whom you are talking about. the assumptions are in your stereoptyping of rap music based on your own biases. [/quote]

Since I have a bunch of Mowtown on my MP3 player does that mean I'm not a racist?

Thank you for again proving your ignorance and hypocrisy to everyone here. It saves me so much time from having to point out your lies and stupidity.

Again, if you think that only blacks steal and have poor vocabularies, you might want to consider working to change those racist beliefs. It really doesn't accomplish anything.

fred wrote:

Since I have a bunch of Mowtown on my MP3 player does that mean I'm not a racist?

that means you enjoy good music!!