jc wrote:

5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: 5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: stoney wrote: jc wrote: stoney wrote: lets look at this scene..... It's midnight jc is headed to the fridge for a late night snack. Upstairs he hears something crash to the floor. Sneaking upstairs he opens a bedroom door and spies an intruder opening up dresser drawers. In the dark jc can see a broken lamp by the broken window this intruder came thru. Flipping on the light the intruder makes a bee line for the window but jc stops him. Holding up his hands in good jesture jc invites the guy downstairs for coffee and a sandwich not noticing his family jewels hanging out of the guys pocket. After boring the poor guy to death jc allows him to leave and promises not to call the police. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 99.9% of the rest of us walk in and beat the guy with a bat shoot to injure, and call the law and prosecute! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------so glad I am one of the 99.9% how about this scene: stoney's kid says he is going to spend the night with a friend, but changes his mind. rather than take a chance of waking his parents by ringing the door bell he decided to crawl thru his bedroom window. now stoney has a dead child. and a lot of excuses about why he was one of the "99%". couldn't happen...don't have a damn door bell and window is nailed shut! Want to take another swing? i'm pretty sure you get the point. except the part about how kids can have hammers and prybars. Are you actually suggesting that a kid deciding to come home and not wanting to wake his parents would actually opt to break or pry open the window? Your kids must be incredibly fucking stupid! are you actually suggesting that kids the world over don't do ridiculous and stupid things every day, things no parent would ever predict their kids would do. and are you thinking that a kid who wanted to sneak into the house couldn't be smart enough to loosen the window BEFORE they left home. because if you doubt any of that then you are the one who is incredibly fucking stupid! I thought in your scenario the kid was going to spend the night at a friend's house and then changed his mind. Why would he loosen the window beforehand? All that is really irrelevant though, as you referred to him using a hammer or pry bar to "sneak" back into the house. Again, either your kids are stupid enough to be the types to do that, or you're an idiot for suggesting it. he loosened the window the time before when he snuck out to smoke crack. ps-when it comes to kids, the scenarios are limitless. if you knew anything, you would know that.

I don't have much sympathy for crack heads.

jc wrote:

5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: you said you wanted to "blow away" an intruder, and, in this very thread, you said you would shoot first and then determine what's going on. sure, you eventually said that you would check things out first ("assess the situation"), but, again, this just proves that you tend to do (and say) things before you think. like i keep saying, that is the reason the 43X gun study findings were as they were, people like you who shoot first and ask questions later. and, as i've also mentioned before, the study isn't "disproved", it is merely "disliked". two whole different things. Once again... When you lie, you discredit every post you make. You CAN'T prove I said I "wanted" to shoot anyone, because I didn't say it. Period. As regards the "shoot first" mentality, I'll once again point out that one doesn't just shoot at anything that moves. But if someone they catch someone they don't know breaking into their house, it's better to take them out instead of sitting there wonder why they broke in. My family is more important than your life. you are the one who keeps saying all this ridiculous stuff and then denying that you said it or trying to change your story after you say it. i put up a direct quote in this thread where you said you would not stop to consider why someone was in your house before you shot them. you can run from your statements, 5, but you cannot hide from them. why not try to think before you type these things - it might save you a lot of backtracking.

Yeah... I've said it a number of times. You are trying to imply that I would randomly shoot anyone though. That's dishonest. You are also trying to say that I stated that I "want" to shoot someone. That's just an outright lie. I said that if someone breaks into my house I "would" blow them away. Not that I "want" to.

5forfighting wrote:

jc wrote: 5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: 5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: stoney wrote: jc wrote: stoney wrote: lets look at this scene..... It's midnight jc is headed to the fridge for a late night snack. Upstairs he hears something crash to the floor. Sneaking upstairs he opens a bedroom door and spies an intruder opening up dresser drawers. In the dark jc can see a broken lamp by the broken window this intruder came thru. Flipping on the light the intruder makes a bee line for the window but jc stops him. Holding up his hands in good jesture jc invites the guy downstairs for coffee and a sandwich not noticing his family jewels hanging out of the guys pocket. After boring the poor guy to death jc allows him to leave and promises not to call the police. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 99.9% of the rest of us walk in and beat the guy with a bat shoot to injure, and call the law and prosecute! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------so glad I am one of the 99.9% how about this scene: stoney's kid says he is going to spend the night with a friend, but changes his mind. rather than take a chance of waking his parents by ringing the door bell he decided to crawl thru his bedroom window. now stoney has a dead child. and a lot of excuses about why he was one of the "99%". couldn't happen...don't have a damn door bell and window is nailed shut! Want to take another swing? i'm pretty sure you get the point. except the part about how kids can have hammers and prybars. Are you actually suggesting that a kid deciding to come home and not wanting to wake his parents would actually opt to break or pry open the window? Your kids must be incredibly fucking stupid! are you actually suggesting that kids the world over don't do ridiculous and stupid things every day, things no parent would ever predict their kids would do. and are you thinking that a kid who wanted to sneak into the house couldn't be smart enough to loosen the window BEFORE they left home. because if you doubt any of that then you are the one who is incredibly fucking stupid! I thought in your scenario the kid was going to spend the night at a friend's house and then changed his mind. Why would he loosen the window beforehand? All that is really irrelevant though, as you referred to him using a hammer or pry bar to "sneak" back into the house. Again, either your kids are stupid enough to be the types to do that, or you're an idiot for suggesting it. he loosened the window the time before when he snuck out to smoke crack. ps-when it comes to kids, the scenarios are limitless. if you knew anything, you would know that. I don't have much sympathy for crack heads.

me neither, but i still wouldn't shoot my kid.

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5forfighting wrote:

jc wrote: 5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: you said you wanted to "blow away" an intruder, and, in this very thread, you said you would shoot first and then determine what's going on. sure, you eventually said that you would check things out first ("assess the situation"), but, again, this just proves that you tend to do (and say) things before you think. like i keep saying, that is the reason the 43X gun study findings were as they were, people like you who shoot first and ask questions later. and, as i've also mentioned before, the study isn't "disproved", it is merely "disliked". two whole different things. Once again... When you lie, you discredit every post you make. You CAN'T prove I said I "wanted" to shoot anyone, because I didn't say it. Period. As regards the "shoot first" mentality, I'll once again point out that one doesn't just shoot at anything that moves. But if someone they catch someone they don't know breaking into their house, it's better to take them out instead of sitting there wonder why they broke in. My family is more important than your life. you are the one who keeps saying all this ridiculous stuff and then denying that you said it or trying to change your story after you say it. i put up a direct quote in this thread where you said you would not stop to consider why someone was in your house before you shot them. you can run from your statements, 5, but you cannot hide from them. why not try to think before you type these things - it might save you a lot of backtracking. Yeah... I've said it a number of times. You are trying to imply that I would randomly shoot anyone though. That's dishonest. You are also trying to say that I stated that I "want" to shoot someone. That's just an outright lie. I said that if someone breaks into my house I "would" blow them away. Not that I "want" to.

i'm not implying anything. in this thread you SAID you would shoot first and determine the intentions of the person crawling thru the window later. in a way back thread you said that you "hoped" an intruder came into your house so you could "blow then away". if you are just going to end up denying what you say, please think about what you say before you post it. that will save us a lot of confusion as to exactly what you mean.

5, you can't reason with jc give up his blinders are on so tight it's strictly tunnel vision. I wouldnt hesitate to blow away an unwanted intruder in my home. They crawl thru the damn window they ain't coming for beer and popcorn.

At least we agree no sympathy for crack heads.

Oh and no i dont want to go around putting slugs into everyone but break into my home be prepared to crawl, duck, and hide from the flying lead. (and jc, no that lead won't be flying all over--many years shooting EXPERT with both 45 and m14/m16--so i can hit what I'm aiming at) I raised 3 teens and they had no reason to crawl thru the windows at night or during the day.....has 5 said that's what a damn key is for.

jc wrote:

i'm not implying anything. in this thread you SAID you would shoot first and determine the intentions of the person crawling thru the window later. in a way back thread you said that you "hoped" an intruder came into your house so you could "blow then away". if you are just going to end up denying what you say, please think about what you say before you post it. that will save us a lot of confusion as to exactly what you mean.

Yes, I would shoot anyone that I didn't know that I caught breaking into my house. If I want them there, all they have to do is knock on the door. If they break in, it's not for anything positive, so I'm not going ot wait for their explanation.

Again, I never said I "hope" anyone will break into my house. I said that, if they do, I will shoot them. It's obvious that you know I didn't say I "hoped" they would, or you would prove it. End of story.

5forfighting wrote:

jc wrote: i'm not implying anything. in this thread you SAID you would shoot first and determine the intentions of the person crawling thru the window later. in a way back thread you said that you "hoped" an intruder came into your house so you could "blow then away". if you are just going to end up denying what you say, please think about what you say before you post it. that will save us a lot of confusion as to exactly what you mean. Yes, I would shoot anyone that I didn't know that I caught breaking into my house. If I want them there, all they have to do is knock on the door. If they break in, it's not for anything positive, so I'm not going ot wait for their explanation. Again, I never said I "hope" anyone will break into my house. I said that, if they do, I will shoot them. It's obvious that you know I didn't say I "hoped" they would, or you would prove it. End of story.

yes, you did say you "hoped" an intruder would break into your house so you could "blow them away" (as i have said time and again, no way am i reading all of your ridiculous posts again to find that one).
you said in this thread that you would not stop to consider the situation before you shot someone.
then you said that you would assess the situation to determine if force was required.
now you say you won't.
please, find a story and stick with it.

jc wrote:

yes, you did say you "hoped" an intruder would break into your house so you could "blow them away" (as i have said time and again, no way am i reading all of your ridiculous posts again to find that one). you said in this thread that you would not stop to consider the situation before you shot someone. then you said that you would assess the situation to determine if force was required. now you say you won't. please, find a story and stick with it.

If I said I "hoped" an intruder would break in, then prove it. It's real simple. You won't because you can't. Saying you don't want to is just another dodge. You're accusing me of saying something I didn't, therefore the burden of proof lies with you.

"Assessing the situation" basically means that I'm not going to shoot someone who's on their way back out the window, because no threat exists. However, if I catch someone who has broken into my house, and perceive that there is even the possibility of a threat to me or my family, I'm going to shoot them, not ask "Whatcha doin?".

5forfighting wrote:

jc wrote: yes, you did say you "hoped" an intruder would break into your house so you could "blow them away" (as i have said time and again, no way am i reading all of your ridiculous posts again to find that one). you said in this thread that you would not stop to consider the situation before you shot someone. then you said that you would assess the situation to determine if force was required. now you say you won't. please, find a story and stick with it. If I said I "hoped" an intruder would break in, then prove it. It's real simple. You won't because you can't. Saying you don't want to is just another dodge. You're accusing me of saying something I didn't, therefore the burden of proof lies with you. "Assessing the situation" basically means that I'm not going to shoot someone who's on their way back out the window, because no threat exists. However, if I catch someone who has broken into my house, and perceive that there is even the possibility of a threat to me or my family, I'm going to shoot them, not ask "Whatcha doin?".

uh, yeah, i'm going to read all of your ridiculous posts just to prove something that I already know. NOT. and even if i did copy it word for word right here you would still make up some excuse about how that isn;t what yu siad - just like you are with what you said in this thread. like i say, just find a story and stick with it. and try to think BEFORE you post.

jc wrote:

5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: yes, you did say you "hoped" an intruder would break into your house so you could "blow them away" (as i have said time and again, no way am i reading all of your ridiculous posts again to find that one). you said in this thread that you would not stop to consider the situation before you shot someone. then you said that you would assess the situation to determine if force was required. now you say you won't. please, find a story and stick with it. If I said I "hoped" an intruder would break in, then prove it. It's real simple. You won't because you can't. Saying you don't want to is just another dodge. You're accusing me of saying something I didn't, therefore the burden of proof lies with you. "Assessing the situation" basically means that I'm not going to shoot someone who's on their way back out the window, because no threat exists. However, if I catch someone who has broken into my house, and perceive that there is even the possibility of a threat to me or my family, I'm going to shoot them, not ask "Whatcha doin?". uh, yeah, i'm going to read all of your ridiculous posts just to prove something that I already know. NOT. and even if i did copy it word for word right here you would still make up some excuse about how that isn;t what yu siad - just like you are with what you said in this thread. like i say, just find a story and stick with it. and try to think BEFORE you post.

Cop-out. Put up or shut up.

been 16 minutes and he is still quiet

5forfighting wrote:

jc wrote: 5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: yes, you did say you "hoped" an intruder would break into your house so you could "blow them away" (as i have said time and again, no way am i reading all of your ridiculous posts again to find that one). you said in this thread that you would not stop to consider the situation before you shot someone. then you said that you would assess the situation to determine if force was required. now you say you won't. please, find a story and stick with it. If I said I "hoped" an intruder would break in, then prove it. It's real simple. You won't because you can't. Saying you don't want to is just another dodge. You're accusing me of saying something I didn't, therefore the burden of proof lies with you. "Assessing the situation" basically means that I'm not going to shoot someone who's on their way back out the window, because no threat exists. However, if I catch someone who has broken into my house, and perceive that there is even the possibility of a threat to me or my family, I'm going to shoot them, not ask "Whatcha doin?". uh, yeah, i'm going to read all of your ridiculous posts just to prove something that I already know. NOT. and even if i did copy it word for word right here you would still make up some excuse about how that isn;t what yu siad - just like you are with what you said in this thread. like i say, just find a story and stick with it. and try to think BEFORE you post. Cop-out. Put up or shut up.

it's been put up. many times. not gonna' do your work for you again. go find it and post it yourself.
ps-i think it's time for you to can come up with a new story for what you've said in this thread. are you shooting first, determining if force is needed before you shoot or "assessing the situation" and shooting whether or not force is needed .

stoney wrote:

been 16 minutes and he is still quiet

mp.

jc wrote:

it's been put up. many times. not gonna' do your work for you again. go find it and post it yourself.

not being an mp... just noting something here.

You are making the claim he once said this. You should be the one to prove it. He says he didn't see it, so he has no need to go find it.

Alright, back to your debate over who did or didn't say what...

ThunderFan4Life wrote:

jc wrote: it's been put up. many times. not gonna' do your work for you again. go find it and post it yourself. not being an mp... just noting something here. You are making the claim he once said this. You should be the one to prove it. He says he didn't see it, so he has no need to go find it. Alright, back to your debate over who did or didn't say what...

uh, thank you, mr make up the rules as we go along. i am NOT going back thru all of his dopey posts trying to find it again. i've put that quote up more than once and 5for always says something like it is taken out of context or he meant it in a different way, etc and so forth. same as he is doing with his quote right here in this very thread. how about we have a rule about people making up their fucking minds about what their story is.

There's enough guns laws on the books now that aren't enforced why make new laws

Before I purchase a handgun I decided to take a gun safety and self defense course.I do have a permit to carry but the very 1st the defense course taught to be aware of your surrounding and try to avoid having to use your firearm.They teach know your target.They teach to stop your problem not kill.

To address the topic ,I'll be damn if I would leave any child in harms way

jc wrote:

it's been put up. many times. not gonna' do your work for you again. go find it and post it yourself. ps-i think it's time for you to can come up with a new story for what you've said in this thread. are you shooting first, determining if force is needed before you shoot or "assessing the situation" and shooting whether or not force is needed .

That makes no sense. I hold that I didn't say it, so therefore, there is no proof to post. You are saying I did, so the burden of proof lies with you. You won't, because you can't. Because I didn't say it.

As regards the rest, this is more typical jc bullshit. I make a statement and jc is too stupid to know that some things go without saying. So, after he bitches and moans, I clarify my earlier statement explaining all of the things that everyone else was able to determine for themselves & then he says I changed my story.

jc, you should really be a lawyer.

jc wrote:

uh, thank you, mr make up the rules as we go along. i am NOT going back thru all of his dopey posts trying to find it again. i've put that quote up more than once and 5for always says something like it is taken out of context or he meant it in a different way, etc and so forth. same as he is doing with his quote right here in this very thread. how about we have a rule about people making up their fucking minds about what their story is.

That's an outright lie. You've never quoted where I said that, because I never did. You have only said I did. Not the same thing liar.

lol calling me a mp??? that's funny. thanks for amusing me again this afternoon.


sp

5forfighting wrote:

jc wrote: uh, thank you, mr make up the rules as we go along. i am NOT going back thru all of his dopey posts trying to find it again. i've put that quote up more than once and 5for always says something like it is taken out of context or he meant it in a different way, etc and so forth. same as he is doing with his quote right here in this very thread. how about we have a rule about people making up their fucking minds about what their story is. That's an outright lie. You've never quoted where I said that, because I never did. You have only said I did. Not the same thing liar.

every time i put it up you just made up some new story about what you meant. same as you are doing in this thread. btw-what's your story now; shoot first-assess later, assess first and shoot no matter what or assess to determine if force is needed and act accordingly.