Mike Floorsinger wrote:

I hope he sues his ass off!

And, what's your theory to base a lawsuit on? Let me save you some time. There isn't one.

stoney wrote:

Instead of a ballbat the dad should have grabbed his .357 and took it upstairs to investigate.....then instead of wasting taxpayers time and money in the court system all we would be doing now is discussing his funeral arraingments!

Took long enough for someone to get here...

stoney wrote:

jc wrote: stoney wrote: Instead of a ballbat the dad should have grabbed his .357 and took it upstairs to investigate.....then instead of wasting taxpayers time and money in the court system all we would be doing now is discussing his funeral arraingments! that is insane. besides, if he had a .357 he would have been 43 X more likely to kill a friend or relative with it than an intruder. hell, he probably would have accidentally shot his daughter already and we wouldn't be discussing it at all. thanks for the afternoon laugh...I knew you would throw that stat in there!! Hard to shoot the girl she wasn't home---He came in thru the window that is an intruder (unwanted, uninvited) so aim and fire! In all reality...maybe the girl did text him and invite him over. Knowing she herself wasn't there and her dad was home. Maybe the guy had been stalking her and this way she figured her dad could beat the tar out of him and he would stay away

o.k., first - dad would have shot his daughter (or another daughter-or his wife-etc) with that .357 long before this situation ever occurred. or at least would have been 43X more likely to do that than to shoot an intruder. in fact, i didn't see anything mentioned about the man's wife. hmmmm......i think an investigation about that may be in order.
next, your scenario doesn't make sense. if she and her dad have any kind of relationship she could have told her dad the kid was stalking her and her dad would have taken care of it. besides, for all she knew, her dad would be asleep during the "intrusion" and never even know the kid was in the house.
a far more likely scenario: the girl was at her friend's house getting high. she texted this guy (who she and her friend like to get high with) and told him to "come over and climb thru the window". problem was, because she was high, she forgot to tell him she was at her friend's house.
at any rate, the entire story about the kid deciding to climb thru the window of some girl he really doesn't know at 3 am sounds a little bit far fetched to me. not impossible, mind you, but way less likely than any number of other possible explainations. the problem with it from your end is that the other scenarios wouldn't justify the use of deadly force. or, considering your casual regard for the use of firearms, maybe they would.

Jtornado wrote:

stoney wrote: Instead of a ballbat the dad should have grabbed his .357 and took it upstairs to investigate.....then instead of wasting taxpayers time and money in the court system all we would be doing now is discussing his funeral arraingments! Took long enough for someone to get here...

they had to take into consideration the 43X factor to determine if they thought the guy should have had a gun in the house. it is encouraging that only one person was willing to run that risk with the lives of this man's family and friends.

ThunderFan4Life wrote:

jc wrote: ThunderFan4Life wrote: jc wrote: 43 X more likely to kill a friend or relative with it than an intruder. They were in Cincinnati, not Washington State. oh yeah. make that 53%. Where is your study results on that? Remember, your 43X study was for ONE COUNTY in the United States in Washington state.

yes, it was a study in a county in america. and it proved that a gun in the home is 43X more likely to be used to kill a friend or family member than an intruder. that is what makes it different from your info about guns - which is based on nra propoganda.

Mike Floorsinger wrote:

Like what????????????? Do you honestly believe the shit the dad told the cops about the young man showing up at his door with two black Eyes??? That is prepostorous!!!!!

Hey Mike... Given the fact that you are automatically trusting of anyone who breaks into your house, and think that it's wrong to resort to any form of violence in such a situation, you mind giving me your address? I need a new tv.

I understand that jc isn't going to have a problem with this kid breaking into a CHILD'S bedroom @ 3:00 in the morning. He's already made it quite clear that he supports child molesters. I'm startin gto think he may be one himself. It's also rather obvious that he's willing to trust someone who has already broken the law by breaking into his house to have good intentions.

In the real world, those of us with children would react largely the same way in the given situation. I know if I heard a noise & found that some stranger had crawled through my daughter's bedroom window, they'd have hell to pay. And, no, I wouldn't stop to ponder whether or not they had been invited by someone else in the house or not, or what their true intentions were. I would rather shoot someone who broke into my house and find out that they meant no harm than take the chance of giving them the benefit of the doubt and finding out that their intentions weren't as good as I had hoped.

The fact of the matter is, you don't break into someone's house if you know they want you there.

5forfighting wrote:

Mike Floorsinger wrote: Like what????????????? Do you honestly believe the shit the dad told the cops about the young man showing up at his door with two black Eyes??? That is prepostorous!!!!! Hey Mike... Given the fact that you are automatically trusting of anyone who breaks into your house, and think that it's wrong to resort to any form of violence in such a situation, you mind giving me your address? I need a new tv. I understand that jc isn't going to have a problem with this kid breaking into a CHILD'S bedroom @ 3:00 in the morning. He's already made it quite clear that he supports child molesters. I'm startin gto think he may be one himself. It's also rather obvious that he's willing to trust someone who has already broken the law by breaking into his house to have good intentions. In the real world, those of us with children would react largely the same way in the given situation. I know if I heard a noise & found that some stranger had crawled through my daughter's bedroom window, they'd have hell to pay. And, no, I wouldn't stop to ponder whether or not they had been invited by someone else in the house or not, or what their true intentions were. I would rather shoot someone who broke into my house and find out that they meant no harm than take the chance of giving them the benefit of the doubt and finding out that their intentions weren't as good as I had hoped. The fact of the matter is, you don't break into someone's house if you know they want you there.

we've already heard about your desire to "blow away" an intruder, 5for. no need to try and impress us further with your gunslinger bravado. as for me, i would definitely have a problem with someone breaking into my home. ever. any time. for any reason. however, there is nothing in this story that makes me think the kid was a danger to anyone or that killing him (or even injuring him) was necessary. shooting people before you even know the situation is EXACTLY why it is a bad idea for people to have guns in their home. with your "shoot first" attitude it is no wonder people are 43X times more likely to kill a friend or relative than an intruder.

jc wrote:

5forfighting wrote: Mike Floorsinger wrote: Like what????????????? Do you honestly believe the shit the dad told the cops about the young man showing up at his door with two black Eyes??? That is prepostorous!!!!! Hey Mike... Given the fact that you are automatically trusting of anyone who breaks into your house, and think that it's wrong to resort to any form of violence in such a situation, you mind giving me your address? I need a new tv. I understand that jc isn't going to have a problem with this kid breaking into a CHILD'S bedroom @ 3:00 in the morning. He's already made it quite clear that he supports child molesters. I'm startin gto think he may be one himself. It's also rather obvious that he's willing to trust someone who has already broken the law by breaking into his house to have good intentions. In the real world, those of us with children would react largely the same way in the given situation. I know if I heard a noise & found that some stranger had crawled through my daughter's bedroom window, they'd have hell to pay. And, no, I wouldn't stop to ponder whether or not they had been invited by someone else in the house or not, or what their true intentions were. I would rather shoot someone who broke into my house and find out that they meant no harm than take the chance of giving them the benefit of the doubt and finding out that their intentions weren't as good as I had hoped. The fact of the matter is, you don't break into someone's house if you know they want you there. we've already heard about your desire to "blow away" an intruder, 5for. no need to try and impress us further with your gunslinger bravado. as for me, i would definitely have a problem with someone breaking into my home. ever. any time. for any reason. however, there is nothing in this story that makes me think the kid was a danger to anyone or that killing him (or even injuring him) was necessary. shooting people before you even know the situation is EXACTLY why it is a bad idea for people to have guns in their home. with your "shoot first" attitude it is no wonder people are 43X times more likely to kill a friend or relative than an intruder.

Nice try, but I have no desire to shoot anyone. However, I will if the situation call for it. It's the jackasses like you who sit there wondering why this person has broken into thier house that get killed while their contemplating. If I catch someone coming in through my window, I assume it's to do something bad, and my families well-being is worth far more to me than your life.

AMEN!!

jc wrote:

we've already heard about your desire to "blow away" an intruder, 5for. no need to try and impress us further with your gunslinger bravado. as for me, i would definitely have a problem with someone breaking into my home. ever. any time. for any reason. however, there is nothing in this story that makes me think the kid was a danger to anyone or that killing him (or even injuring him) was necessary. shooting people before you even know the situation is EXACTLY why it is a bad idea for people to have guns in their home. with your "shoot first" attitude it is no wonder people are 43X times more likely to kill a friend or relative than an intruder.

so you wuold have no problem with someone climbing through your daughter's window at 3am?

shows what kind of a person you are.

ThunderFan4Life wrote:

jc wrote: we've already heard about your desire to "blow away" an intruder, 5for. no need to try and impress us further with your gunslinger bravado. as for me, i would definitely have a problem with someone breaking into my home. ever. any time. for any reason. however, there is nothing in this story that makes me think the kid was a danger to anyone or that killing him (or even injuring him) was necessary. shooting people before you even know the situation is EXACTLY why it is a bad idea for people to have guns in their home. with your "shoot first" attitude it is no wonder people are 43X times more likely to kill a friend or relative than an intruder. so you wuold have no problem with someone climbing through your daughter's window at 3am? shows what kind of a person you are.

From a number of the statements jc has made on here, I'm guessing that he's the one crawling through the windows of 15 year old girls.

5forfighting wrote:

jc wrote: 5forfighting wrote: Mike Floorsinger wrote: Like what????????????? Do you honestly believe the shit the dad told the cops about the young man showing up at his door with two black Eyes??? That is prepostorous!!!!! Hey Mike... Given the fact that you are automatically trusting of anyone who breaks into your house, and think that it's wrong to resort to any form of violence in such a situation, you mind giving me your address? I need a new tv. I understand that jc isn't going to have a problem with this kid breaking into a CHILD'S bedroom @ 3:00 in the morning. He's already made it quite clear that he supports child molesters. I'm startin gto think he may be one himself. It's also rather obvious that he's willing to trust someone who has already broken the law by breaking into his house to have good intentions. In the real world, those of us with children would react largely the same way in the given situation. I know if I heard a noise & found that some stranger had crawled through my daughter's bedroom window, they'd have hell to pay. And, no, I wouldn't stop to ponder whether or not they had been invited by someone else in the house or not, or what their true intentions were. I would rather shoot someone who broke into my house and find out that they meant no harm than take the chance of giving them the benefit of the doubt and finding out that their intentions weren't as good as I had hoped. The fact of the matter is, you don't break into someone's house if you know they want you there. we've already heard about your desire to "blow away" an intruder, 5for. no need to try and impress us further with your gunslinger bravado. as for me, i would definitely have a problem with someone breaking into my home. ever. any time. for any reason. however, there is nothing in this story that makes me think the kid was a danger to anyone or that killing him (or even injuring him) was necessary. shooting people before you even know the situation is EXACTLY why it is a bad idea for people to have guns in their home. with your "shoot first" attitude it is no wonder people are 43X times more likely to kill a friend or relative than an intruder. Nice try, but I have no desire to shoot anyone. However, I will if the situation call for it. It's the jackasses like you who sit there wondering why this person has broken into thier house that get killed while their contemplating. If I catch someone coming in through my window, I assume it's to do something bad, and my families well-being is worth far more to me than your life.

your own words speak to your gunnuttiness better than i ever could: "And, no, I wouldn't stop to ponder whether or not they had been invited by someone else in the house or not, or what their true intentions were." like i said, it is no wonder that guns in the home are 43X more likely to kill a friend or relative than an intruder.

ThunderFan4Life wrote:

jc wrote: we've already heard about your desire to "blow away" an intruder, 5for. no need to try and impress us further with your gunslinger bravado. as for me, i would definitely have a problem with someone breaking into my home. ever. any time. for any reason. however, there is nothing in this story that makes me think the kid was a danger to anyone or that killing him (or even injuring him) was necessary. shooting people before you even know the situation is EXACTLY why it is a bad idea for people to have guns in their home. with your "shoot first" attitude it is no wonder people are 43X times more likely to kill a friend or relative than an intruder. so you wuold have no problem with someone climbing through your daughter's window at 3am? shows what kind of a person you are.

which part of "i would definitely have a problem with someone breaking into my home. ever. any time. for any reason" did you not understand. there is a difference in having a problem with something/doing something about it and shooting someone before you know what the situation is.

5forfighting wrote:

ThunderFan4Life wrote: jc wrote: we've already heard about your desire to "blow away" an intruder, 5for. no need to try and impress us further with your gunslinger bravado. as for me, i would definitely have a problem with someone breaking into my home. ever. any time. for any reason. however, there is nothing in this story that makes me think the kid was a danger to anyone or that killing him (or even injuring him) was necessary. shooting people before you even know the situation is EXACTLY why it is a bad idea for people to have guns in their home. with your "shoot first" attitude it is no wonder people are 43X times more likely to kill a friend or relative than an intruder. so you wuold have no problem with someone climbing through your daughter's window at 3am? shows what kind of a person you are. From a number of the statements jc has made on here, I'm guessing that he's the one crawling through the windows of 15 year old girls.

calling me a child molester doesn't change the fact that a gun in the home is 43X more likely to be used to kill a friend or relative than an inturder. but, your own statements do prove how dangerous guns are in the hands of a person whose dream in life is to "blow away" someone.

stoney wrote:

AMEN!!

awomen.

jc wrote:

ThunderFan4Life wrote: jc wrote: we've already heard about your desire to "blow away" an intruder, 5for. no need to try and impress us further with your gunslinger bravado. as for me, i would definitely have a problem with someone breaking into my home. ever. any time. for any reason. however, there is nothing in this story that makes me think the kid was a danger to anyone or that killing him (or even injuring him) was necessary. shooting people before you even know the situation is EXACTLY why it is a bad idea for people to have guns in their home. with your "shoot first" attitude it is no wonder people are 43X times more likely to kill a friend or relative than an intruder. so you wuold have no problem with someone climbing through your daughter's window at 3am? shows what kind of a person you are. which part of "i would definitely have a problem with someone breaking into my home. ever. any time. for any reason" did you not understand. there is a difference in having a problem with something/doing something about it and shooting someone before you know what the situation is.

And while you're sitting there questioning the persons intentions, they could be killing you. Solid thinking there. It's real simple: Don't break into my house & I won't shoot you. If you break into my house, you've already shown a disregard for the law and therefore, the odds are that you are there for no good.

jc wrote:

5forfighting wrote: ThunderFan4Life wrote: jc wrote: we've already heard about your desire to "blow away" an intruder, 5for. no need to try and impress us further with your gunslinger bravado. as for me, i would definitely have a problem with someone breaking into my home. ever. any time. for any reason. however, there is nothing in this story that makes me think the kid was a danger to anyone or that killing him (or even injuring him) was necessary. shooting people before you even know the situation is EXACTLY why it is a bad idea for people to have guns in their home. with your "shoot first" attitude it is no wonder people are 43X times more likely to kill a friend or relative than an intruder. so you wuold have no problem with someone climbing through your daughter's window at 3am? shows what kind of a person you are. From a number of the statements jc has made on here, I'm guessing that he's the one crawling through the windows of 15 year old girls. calling me a child molester doesn't change the fact that a gun in the home is 43X more likely to be used to kill a friend or relative than an inturder. but, your own statements do prove how dangerous guns are in the hands of a person whose dream in life is to "blow away" someone.

You know, whenever you lie like this, it removes all credibility from all of your other posts.

lets look at this scene.....


It's midnight jc is headed to the fridge for a late night snack. Upstairs he hears something crash to the floor. Sneaking upstairs he opens a bedroom door and spies an intruder opening up dresser drawers. In the dark jc can see a broken lamp by the broken window this intruder came thru. Flipping on the light the intruder makes a bee line for the window but jc stops him. Holding up his hands in good jesture jc invites the guy downstairs for coffee and a sandwich not noticing his family jewels hanging out of the guys pocket. After boring the poor guy to death jc allows him to leave and promises not to call the police.

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99.9% of the rest of us walk in and beat the guy with a bat shoot to injure, and call the law and prosecute!

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------so glad I am one of the 99.9%

I don't know if I could shoot a young kid. It would probably depend on if he was straight and white or dark and gay.

5forfighting wrote:

jc wrote: ThunderFan4Life wrote: jc wrote: we've already heard about your desire to "blow away" an intruder, 5for. no need to try and impress us further with your gunslinger bravado. as for me, i would definitely have a problem with someone breaking into my home. ever. any time. for any reason. however, there is nothing in this story that makes me think the kid was a danger to anyone or that killing him (or even injuring him) was necessary. shooting people before you even know the situation is EXACTLY why it is a bad idea for people to have guns in their home. with your "shoot first" attitude it is no wonder people are 43X times more likely to kill a friend or relative than an intruder. so you wuold have no problem with someone climbing through your daughter's window at 3am? shows what kind of a person you are. which part of "i would definitely have a problem with someone breaking into my home. ever. any time. for any reason" did you not understand. there is a difference in having a problem with something/doing something about it and shooting someone before you know what the situation is. And while you're sitting there questioning the persons intentions, they could be killing you. Solid thinking there. It's real simple: Don't break into my house & I won't shoot you. If you break into my house, you've already shown a disregard for the law and therefore, the odds are that you are there for no good.

yeah, but we do know some things from this story. the dad knew the kid, the kid was no threat to him and all of the post window climbing commotion resulted from the dad trying to prevent the kid from leaving rather than from the kid trying to do any harm to anyone. all of you clowns saying you will just shoot everyone is exactly why it is a bad idea for people to keep guns in their homes. you clearly cannot be trusted to exercise good judgement in their use. no wonder people are 43X times more likely to kill a friend or relative than an intruder.