and you obviously do not know the man, you just know the coach!!

And I don't need to. He's an asshole. Are you done with your crying?

alaskaflier wrote:

I did not say I did not know what the Fuck was going on!!

Yes, and then in the next breath throw a shitload of accusations at MML and the front office. You can't have it both ways and that is what is pissing off the Topeka fans.

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I said I did not know all the facts, as you do not either.

But you know enough to throw out accusations. Nice.

I've offered two facts directly related to the situation. 1) All five games in Topeka was Fairbank's suggestion last week and 2) there are some great tickets available behind the kennel. No more, no less, and I have not used my information, both posted an unposted, to throw accusations at Fairbanks.

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I have formed a pretty good idea about what all went down from some people very close to the situation.

If you aren't going to cite Jack Tragis or Rob Proffitt, you ain't citing shit. Anyone else is effectively secondhand. The only firsthand information posted in this thread has been Topeka's release.

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Maybe you and your mister know it all about junior hockey attitude need to take a break from it all

I was, remember? That is, until you decided to take some uninformed cheap shots. Cripes, I stop writing for six weeks and you've already forgotten I'm allergic to bullshit.

Still, you do realize that invoking the Mr. Know-It-All term in an argument against me is the GR equivalent of invoking a comparison to the Nazis, yes? But hey, at least it made me laugh.

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, cuz your obviously becomming a vindictive asshole.

Becoming? Where have you been? I spiked a coach's career last last summer. Why don't you ask Jack about it, maybe he can fill you in.

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Your no better than me

Is it too much to suggest I might have better grammar and spelling skills? No? Okay... *shrugs*

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You usually put some pretty creditable stuff out to read on your blog, but you never have all the facts either do you mark.

Quite often there is more to the story, and more often than not I have it and don't post to either 1) protect the person I am writing about or 2) protect my source. As far as what I've written, I'll stand by it any day of the week.

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Is no one else capeable of the same, or is it cuz my name is not Mark Foster Junior?

No, it's because your accusations and arguments were full of shit.

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Come on down from your high horse!

Ohhhh, but I like it up here!

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Hey dip shit, you tell me one person in the league, General Manager or Head Coach who does more for his players than Proffitt does. Its about a lot of hard work and passion, and nobody in the NAHL does it better than Proffitt.

There's that damn song going off again...

Edit: added a link for reference...

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Hey alaskaflier you are a moron. And it is obvious that Langer has done far more than Proffitt. Who won the regular season divisiontitle? And regards to the schedule like everyone else has stated Fairbanks wanted to play all the games here in Topeka. If you want to blame someone blame the league. They are the ones who got trigger happy and jumped the gun. The NAHL is the ones who put together the first schedule for the second round. And that schedule was posted on the RR website temporarily if an actual agreement hadn't been reached. But Fairbanks is the one left it open for discussion.

No one here in Topeka bitched about it, we agreed that it would be better for both sides. Of course I am sad that the Icedogs don't get to play at home. But both parties were looking at the cost of flying 2 teams. So it is obviuos you never had your facts straight. And you say we are the ones crying. Sounds like more crying and bitching coming from you. And you are more welcome to come to Topeka. Then you can come down behind the bench and we will hold up one of our many signs for ya. "There's No Crying!"

And of course Mary may do some things not everyone agrees with. But she has done so much for these boys. She is all about them making it to the next step. Getting a good education from a top noch school. She hasn't done anything wrong. She made the right choice in investing into the Topeka community. But I guess it is hard to attack an organization that has classier and mor eenergetic fans. But wait weren't you guys in first at one point in the season, what happened there?!

Quite often there is more to the story, and more often than not I have it and don't post to either 1) protect the person I am writing about or 2) protect my source. As far as what I've written, I'll stand by it any day of the week. Exactly what you said Mark!! I have not talked to Jack in a few weeks, nor do he and I usually get into long conversations, usually just business. As far as Rob is concerned I love him like a brother and would trust him with my life. He has made me realize a lot about life as both a man and a father. He’s like the big brother this ole boy never had!! I assure you my accusations were well placed and my sources just as credible as yours. It will all come out in time!! Right now it looks to be all about PR. As far as protecting the person I am writing about, don't agree. On the other hand, protecting your sources, I agree!! My grammar!! Whatchya takin about!! Like I give a shit what you think about me personally, say nothing about my grammar!![/quote]

GoRunners, If you read my orgional post you would see that I think Mary has done a great job. I know all about the travel issues and costs associated with bringing two teams up here. What I have aproblem with is the grumblin about game not being back in Topeka. Like I said this is not the NAHL. If game five would had been back in Topeka then it would had been two teams paying to go back to Topeka again. Instead of just the cost of one team heading back to the lower 48.. That is why I brought up the fact that this is junior hockey and not the NHL.. Both teams should of had the oppertunity to play at home. But apparently the whole issue was three games in Fairbanks and that was not good enough for the Roadrunners front office. But it was just fine fro the same senario to play out in round one for Fairbanks (who was seeded higher) but Fairbanks still agreeded to play three in Wichita Falls Really the whole mess is screwed up and I am very dissapointed in the NAHL for a lack of oversite and enforcement in such an emotional point of the season.

Also a division title doesn't mean as much in junior hockey as moving players onto the next level. When you only move two of your players to the next level for the next season... Come on!! A division title looks nice on paper, but moving 10 to 15 guys onto great D1 hockey programs along with winning a National all in the same year looks great, especially if you do it all away from your home Ice. Sure I think Scott is a pretty nice guy, and one of the better coaches in the league. In other words, I think he is in it for the right reasons!! But don't confuse division titles with coaches true success in Junior hockey.

Last I'd just like to point out
Fairbaks 39 wins
Topeka 39 Wins

Gonna be a good series no matter where its played or the what outcome is!!

BRUINSFAN wrote:

You are right about one thing... Fairbanks should be "Non-Proffitt"...

F!CK YOU

superrupe wrote:

Proffitts an asshole

OH AND F!UCK YOU TOO!! BEFORE YOU START BASHING A COACH FOR HIM CARING FOR HIS TEAM, TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT YOURSELVES YOU IDIOTS!! YOU'RE DOING THE SAME SHANAIGANS THAT YOU COMPLAIN PROFF TO DO... SO ONE... TAKE YOUR BULLSH!T AND SHOVE IT UP YOUR A$$... AND TWO... AS SOMEONE STATED ABOUT RYAN BEING A "HYPOCRITE" LOOK IN A DAMN MIRROR MORONS...YOUR ALL BEING CHILDISH.. YES FANS ARE ANGRY CAUSE THE BOYS AINT COMIN HOME... YES!!! WE REALIZE WE ARE SAVING MONEY!! WE WANNA SEE OUR BOYS PLAY JUST AS MUCH AS THE DILLWEEDS THAT ARE COMPLAINING IN TOPEKA... BUT THERE WAS NO OFFER WHATSOEVER TO PLAY ALL GAMES IN TOPEKA.. THERE WAS A NEUTRAL ICE OFFER THAT IS NOW IN AFFECT... SO YEA IT SUCKS THAT ICE DOGS FANS HAVE TO FLY SO FAR... AND AS FOR THE EMPTY SEATS BEHIND THE DOGS... THEY WONT BE EMPTY FOR GAMES 3-4 THEY WILL BE EMPTY ON GAMES 4-5 AS WILL ALL THE SEATS BECAUSE THE DOGS WILL HAVE SWEPT THE SERIES.. SO YES I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE DOGS NOT COMING HOME... BECAUSE I KNOW THEY WONT BE IN TOPEKA LONG EITHER...

Alaska hockey fan, whoever you are, Thanks for backing me up, I appriciate it!! For all of you have basically told me I was full of shit and had no idea what I was talkin about and that I was basically makin shit up, i had no facts. I'll tell you one thing, and that is Because of the FACT (Just for you Mark) Mary Lorang objections about going to Fairbanks for games 3-5, is the reason why all games are now in Topeka. She thought her players were gettin screwed and wanted some fairness/respect for her division champs team. However in the process her selfish agenda made her orgnization look like a bunch of crying losers. Not to mention, disrespected Fairbanks Hockey, she didn't seem to give a shit about. Now did she!! Whats good for the goose is good for the gander!!

fbfan12 wrote:

fairbanks in no way is crying about where they are playing because the original playoff schedule is two games for home ice for highest seeded team then on the road for the last however many..which every other team has done. and not bitched about

Uh, sorry, but that is simply wrong. The original playoff schedule says that the higher seed gets 3 out of the 5 games at home. Generally, teams play a 2-2-1 series, with the first two at the higher seed, the next two at the lower seed, and the final game back at the higher seed.

Now, the Fairbanks/Wichita Falls schedule was different - because there was a specific league rule in place before the season ever started that addressed the first round of the playoffs if they involved teams from Alaska. Why can't Fairbanks fans get that through their heads? The clearly established rule said that in round one of the playoffs, if one Alaska team was in the playoffs, the first two games had to be played in Alaska, and the final three games played on the road. It was a give and take situation for the Alaska teams. If they were the lower seed, they gained the benefit of getting the first two games at home (when they were really only guaranteed one home game). If they were the higher seed, the lost the benefit of having the home ice advantage that the other teams in the league had.

Sorry, there is not a general rule that says the higher seeded teams get the first two at home and the rest on the road. That is simply false. There was such a rule that applied specifically to the Alaska teams and specifically applied only to the first round of the playoffs.

GoRunners! wrote:

Hey alaskaflier you are a moron. And it is obvious that Langer has done far more than Proffitt.

Don't get me wrong, I like most of the Topeka posters....

BUT, this GoRunners dude needs to pull his head out of Langer's ass....Proffitt has done so much for his players over the years....He may not be a fan favorite among opposing teams, but he has continually put his team in position and is players in college....

Some of these Topeka fans need to realize that being in this league for one year does not make you an expert about all things NAHL....

bp

alaskaflier wrote:

But it was just fine fro the same senario to play out in round one for Fairbanks (who was seeded higher) but Fairbanks still agreeded to play three in Wichita Falls Really the whole mess is screwed up and I am very dissapointed in the NAHL for a lack of oversite and enforcement in such an emotional point of the season.

Ok, I responded to the other guy, but in case you miss the explanation - Fairbanks did not agree to squat in the first round. That rule was established way before the season ended. Everyone knew the rule was set that for the first round of the playoffs, if one Alaska team made it, the first two games were to be played in Alaska and the last three on the road. BTW, if two Alaska teams had made the playoffs, the rule was that they would play each other in the first round, regardless of seeding.

The first round series between WF and Fairbanks was played EXACTLY according to the rules that were established prior to the regular season ever ending.

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Last I'd just like to point out Fairbaks 39 wins Topeka 39 Wins

Although I agree with your other point that junior hockey is about much more than wins and losses, since you brought that up I want to point out this as well

Fairbanks 39 wins - 32 of which came against teams with a record below .400
Topeka 39 wins - only 20 of which came against teams with a record below .400

Topeka had a much, much more difficult schedule this year than Fairbanks, so the fact that Fairbanks matched them in wins is really not that impressive.

I do agree though that it should be a great series. Once the playoffs start, throw the regular season out the window and forget about it. If Reichard gets hot, Fairbanks will be tough to beat.

AlaskaHockeyFan wrote:

F!CK YOU

FYI, this is the Glassrattler. You can just say "FUCK YOU" on here if you want. No need to try and fool profanity filters.

alaskaflier wrote:

Because of the FACT (Just for you Mark) Mary Lorang objections about going to Fairbanks for games 3-5, is the reason why all games are now in Topeka. She thought her players were gettin screwed and wanted some fairness/respect for her division champs team.

I don't think anyone ever disputed that. Mary felt that since Topeka earned home ice advantage by winning the South, they deserved to get home ice advantage. She has openly stated that she was opposed to being forced to play 3 games in Fairbanks.

And in case any of the Fairbanks fans have not read the other thread dealing with this issue - I want to make my feelings on this whole situation very clear.

I think it sucks. From start to finish. I feel just as bad for the Fairbanks players and fans as I did for the Topeka players and fans. If Fairbanks did not agree to the current arrangement, then I have a problem with it, just like I had a problem with Topeka being forced to play Game 5 in Fairbanks after winning the division. There are rules set for the league playoffs, and I think that the league should enforce them unless both teams agree to something different.

I do not have any inside info on this, never claimed to have any, and really don't want any.

I hope the Fairbanks players have a great stay in Topeka. I also hope that any Fairbanks fans that can make it down have a great stay as well. If there is anything we can do for you (suggest things to do, places to eat, how to avoid the Phelps clan, etc.) let us know. Topeka has a very active and supportive booster club, and they will be more than happy to help make your stay here in Topeka as enjoyable as a stay here in Topeka can be.

Kev,
That is just how HE spells it...

BP,
Agree 100%.

All,
What Topeka has done this year is great. Both as a team AND community. Langer has done well as a coach, recruiter, and leader of young men. Rob has been in his job since 1997, and has done a remarkable job. Comparing the two is not really fair. Rob has more resources just because of his time in the position. Langer can get there, but he would be the first to admit, he is not there yet.

This playoff schedule makes economical sense. I do not like it. Any fan in Alaska is not going to like it either. But I understand why this happened. The cost of moving two hockey teams back to Fairbanks and maybe both teams flying back is huge. Even if the Dogs had two games at home, the money earned would fall way short of covering the expenses.

The fix? League splits into four divisions, giving Alaska gets it's own division next year. The other divisions travel to Alaska (Washington?) once every three years and plays a 2 game set at each team. The Alaska Div travels to the other 2 divisions each year for one game at each team.

This could result in a truely balanced schedule if the rest of the leage did the same thing.

This is nothing other than a ploy by Ryan's "Big Brother" to whip up the Ice dog Fans as the victims (in Ryan's case it has worked),....and to motivate his team.

Coach Proffitt knows his team has actually played better on the road for some reason. Plus the money savings is huge for them.

It will be interesting to see if the motivation part works.

alaskaflier wrote:

Alaska hockey fan, whoever you are, Thanks for backing me up, I appriciate it!! For all of you have basically told me I was full of shit and had no idea what I was talkin about and that I was basically makin shit up, i had no facts. I'll tell you one thing, and that is Because of the FACT (Just for you Mark) Mary Lorang objections about going to Fairbanks for games 3-5, is the reason why all games are now in Topeka. She thought her players were gettin screwed and wanted some fairness/respect for her division champs team. However in the process her selfish agenda made her orgnization look like a bunch of crying losers. Not to mention, disrespected Fairbanks Hockey, she didn't seem to give a shit about. Now did she!! Whats good for the goose is good for the gander!!

When the truth does come out about this, and it will, I will expect an apology letter by you to be posted here as well. Some of us here do know the facts but chose to remain quiet until after the season is over. Good luck to both teams and I hope everyone coming down for the games has a safe trip. If there is anything we can do to make your stay here better let us know and we will try to help if we can.

Stephen Heisler wrote:

The fix? League splits into four divisions, giving Alaska gets it's own division next year. The other divisions travel to Alaska (Washington?) once every three years and plays a 2 game set at each team. The Alaska Div travels to the other 2 divisions each year for one game at each team. This could result in a truely balanced schedule if the rest of the leage did the same thing.

I like your idea and i have actually come up with a division alignment scheme that would benefit everyone.

Pacific
Alaska Avalanche
Fairbanks Ice Dogs
Kenai River Brown Bears
Wenatchee"Whatevers"
USNTDP

North
Bismarck Bobcats
Fargo-Moorhead Jets
Albert Lea
Alexandria Blizzard
North Iowa Outlaws

Great Lakes
Alpena IceDiggers
Detroit (motor city machine?)
Mahoning Valley Phantoms
Marquette Rangers
Traverse City North Stars

South(or whatever cool name you can come up with that uses TX,KS,MO and IL or team names)
Springfield Jr. Blues
St. Louis Bandits
Texas Tornado
Topeka Roadrunners
Wichita Falls Wildcats

Add more fuel

Just to add more fuel and spin to the story

http://www.newsminer.com/news/2008/apr/17/ice-dogs-denied-home-games/

Also, my understanding was that there was some discussion and agreement about playing the last 3 games in a neutral site but that was nixed by the Topeka individual that really wears the pants. Seems like Profft and Langer get along fine. Isn't that always the case, that it seems like as with all sports, it's the non-participants that muck it up, little league, kids hockey, etc. its the lunatic parents. Leave it to the players and let them decide. When it comes right down to it, the players probably don't give a damn where the games are played, they just want to "get it on".

Will be a great series anyway you look at. It starts at 0-0, plain and simple, best team will win. No excuses. To quote Oakland Raiders owner Al Davis "Just win baby!".

Re: Add more fuel

Bandit pop wrote:

Just to add more fuel and spin to the story http://www.newsminer.com/news/2008/apr/17/ice-dogs-denied-home-games/ Also, my understanding was that there was some discussion and agreement about playing the last 3 games in a neutral site but that was nixed by the Topeka individual that really wears the pants. Seems like Profft and Langer get along fine. Isn't that always the case, that it seems like as with all sports, it's the non-participants that muck it up, little league, kids hockey, etc. its the lunatic parents. Leave it to the players and let them decide. When it comes right down to it, the players probably don't give a damn where the games are played, they just want to "get it on". Will be a great series anyway you look at. It starts at 0-0, plain and simple, best team will win. No excuses. To quote Oakland Raiders owner Al Davis "Just win baby!".

As top seed we ARE entitled to 3 HOME games and I will leave it at that for now. As for the teams, hell it's the playoffs, should they need any more motivation? Seems Fairbanks does.