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Ohpuckit wrote:

rovot wrote: Quote: by speedrisser Blaznek. The top vote getter for the All Star game. Who voted? Coaches, along with some media reps. What a joke, what do the coaches know? Yeah, he’s the goldenboy, you earn that moniker when you lead the league in goals. Let’s go ahead and break up the leagues top line, brilliant. It's that kind of "in the box" thinking that will allow us to retain our solid third or forth place finish. Judgeing from his logic, at this point, I'm thinking rovot lives in a box

What you don't think they will finish that high? You might be right, they might not.

rovot wrote:

Ohpuckit wrote: rovot wrote: Quote: by speedrisser Blaznek. The top vote getter for the All Star game. Who voted? Coaches, along with some media reps. What a joke, what do the coaches know? Yeah, he’s the goldenboy, you earn that moniker when you lead the league in goals. Let’s go ahead and break up the leagues top line, brilliant. It's that kind of "in the box" thinking that will allow us to retain our solid third or forth place finish. Judgeing from his logic, at this point, I'm thinking rovot lives in a box What you don't think they will finish that high? You might be right, they might not.

Especially if they keep losing 3 out 4 games on the road.

Risser, Great post!! I've been reading most of the post on here for awhile and waiting for one that was worth a reponse! Thank You!! Seems like everything on here now starts with Hockey, then quickly gets into something else. I hope this will turn around soon.

Big Stan wrote:

Risser, Great post!! I've been reading most of the post on here for awhile and waiting for one that was worth a reponse! Thank You!! Seems like everything on here now starts with Hockey, then quickly gets into something else. I hope this will turn around soon.

Damn you don't have to be a sissy bed wetter right away!


By the way speed good post.

The only thing I would have to argue is the sell out checks you think everybosy wants. That is not what I want, I want the forward to pay the price trying to break down the side. What is the difference if we take the guy out on a sell out check, than if we don't check him at all and he gains the zone skate around the D-man to the end zone and passes out front and they create a good scoring chance out of it.

Or the more likely result we hook or trip the guy once a check is to late and get called for a penalty.

Watch the NHL teh D-man very rarely let the puck handler get past the face off circles without being checked. They are not sell out checks they are just checks that stand the body up and take out the man. When they allow them to get deep that is when they get scored on. If the check takes the D-man and the puck hanlder out of the play so what? there are 4 other guys that should be helping out.

I think this is what Fairbarn is the worst at, he is always chasing the puck never the player. He gets beat often and then get a penalty out of reaction trying to catch up.

I would love to see them stand more guys up at the blue line instead of let them skate right on by . we definitley need more of that!

Well, I just ran across this topic this evening and in the intrest of discussion I figure I should respond to a few of Rissers points. I won't respond to it all because a lot of what he said I agree with. Here goes:

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Watch Fleck after he hit Clayton, his reaction is like “Oh crap, I did it again”. He seemed almost remorseful right after the hit. It’s like he became possessed and then regained control of his emotions and regretted what he had done. Still, do the crime and do the time.

I honestly thought his reaction was more like "Oh crap, they are going to kill me" and then he found some delight with the fact that he was home free after laying out one of our best players. Just my opinion.

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On to the whole “Having a policeman on the Duda/Clayton line would have prevented this” nonsense. Marty McSorley’s presence on that line would not have prevented Clayton from getting laid out. Fleck saw an opportunity to make a run and took it. Teams do it every chance they get to the other star players. Joe Burton was always nicked up when he played in the CHL. Duda missed 3-4 weeks in the 99-00 season due to a cheap shot that screwed up his wrist. His line mates at the time? The legendary Kris Schultz and Travis Clayton. Other tough guys on that team? Trevor Converse and Mike Hiebert. Sure stopped Duda from getting hurt.

I actually had to read this twice to make sure you were posting what I thought you posted. You have got to be kidding me? The first obvious question is if there is no need for a enforcer on the ice why did McSorley even have a job? Why would any enforcer have a job?

Sure, things are going to happen. This is a physical sport and injuries are going to be part of a situation where bodies are slamming into each other at high speeds. The fact of the matter is that I think (and pretty much every coach who has ever coached the game) that you have to have someone to police the ice. The effects of this are far beyond hoping that something bad won't happen.

It is has been said time and time again, Gretzky gives a lot of credit to his career to McSorley. The guy opened the ice for him. Everyone knew as common knowledge that if you touched Wayne you were going to pay the price. It is the same reason you have the death penalty in the US. Sure people are still going to get murdered but that punishment is a proven deterent to crimes all over the country. It would be borderline retarded to think otherwise.

When Dashney broke Duda's wrist down in OKC Ramsay made sure that a price was paid. Do you remember how Dallas used to skate like an angel when Hewitt was on the ice? Fleck has been hitting our guys for 4 years and every year he punishes someone and we hear the same old story "we will get him next game". It is a bullshit cop out and to think there is no value in a proven enforcer to police the ice is nothing more than ignorance wrapped up in a lack of respect for the knowledge and no how of people who have coached and succeeded in this sport.

My guess is that you think an enforcer is a good thing but since the thunder don't have one you have to side with stupidity.

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Blaming French and Presson for Clayton getting hurt. I was surprised and disappointed by the reaction by many of you. French gave that game away to make a point (Even though I think he could have won it and still made a point) and you get pissed because we lost. Many of those same carbon based life forms used to say “All I want is to be entertained and have the Thunder stick up for themselves". Make up your minds. We’ve got a great GM who is drawing 7K on a holiday weeknight and a coach that will be coaching at a higher level in a few years. And yet you revert back to the hating ways of old as soon as things get a little rough. Maybe you guys are like Sauter, the game has moved on and you haven’t. Maybe, you can’t change

Laughable. You take two totally different topics and fuse them into one thought. I could never say I was pissed because we lost. I believe the only time I have been pissed when we lose is when we don't show heart. As far as this new and improved hockey passing us by, how is having your best player laying flat out on the ice new and improved? I still sit in the KC and watch the crowd rise to its feet anytime a scrum breaks out. If you honestly feel that people do not enjoy entertainment than I think maybe common sense has passed you by.

I will give credit where credit is due and the front office has done a wonderful job this year of promoting the team. My hats off to them. If you push a little entertainment into the equation we could be sitting at 7000 a game. But that is just the business side of my personality coming out. My dream would be to see that place sell out night after night. You won't get there with dry hockey, just ain't gonna happen.

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Fairbarn. Another Dman cursed due to the fact he doesn’t go for the sellout check. Remember, this is the town that boo’d Cam Plante, a point a game defenseman. Wichita was the laughing stock of the hockey community (players and coaches, not Internet experts) for a few years due to that. Does he make mistakes, sure. Does he score and set up goals, you betcha. His vision on the powerplay is excellent and will improve even more, he’s getting the timing down with the wings on those passes to the post for the one timers by Clayton and Blaznek. Yeah, trading a first or second line Dman is a brilliant idea. Brilliant.

*jaw hangs open searching for a shred of credibility*

First, I don't think that anyone is looking for Fairbarn to go for the sellout check (I refer to it as the Derek Warren). There is something to be said about playing the body. Does it not speak volumes when your "first line d-man" is last on our team in +/- (a defensive stat mind you)? How many goals has he cost us this year? How many times has he let someone skate by and throw an unsuccessful shot on net? Like I said before, Fairbarn makes Andrew Dickson look like Scott Stevens.

But he sure does get a lot of assists.........

Passing to a group of the best finishers in this league probably has nothing to do with his success on the power play. Nothing at all. It would probably be wise to keep around a guy who allows more goals than he produces, but of course I cannot become accustomed to that mathmatical prowless.

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Blaznek. The top vote getter for the All Star game. Who voted? Coaches, along with some media reps. What a joke, what do the coaches know? Yeah, he’s the goldenboy, you earn that moniker when you lead the league in goals. Let’s go ahead and break up the leagues top line, brilliant.

I have become a big fan of Blaz. Guy has some serious skills and one hell of a shot. My question is what player has failed playing with Clayton and Duda? If you had an opportunity to trade a guy like Blaz to fill some needs and make yourself a better team would you not pursue it? Is he talented? Yes. Is he replaceable? Yes. Would I like to see him go? No. Could I see rationale behind trading him? Yes.

Bottom line is that you have a serious piece of trade bait there leaving you with a duo that is consistantly (No matter who they play with) one of the top producing lines in the league. You show me a Tab Lardner and a seroius D-Man and I will help pack Blaz's bags. That simple.

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Gasmix. Needs to work more on his empty netters. You guys can hate him all you want, but I challenge you to put up your IQ and business acumen and results against his.

Two things on this one. First, having an IQ or business savvy has absolutely nothing to do with posting on a minor league message board. Bottom line. Some of the people I know who I respect most have no degrees and goaless jobs. That states nothing about what kind of person they are or how they can contribute to this board. If he has found success in an opportunity filled world then good for him. My opinion of him doesn't change because you see, whenever push comes to shove and Gas is asked a question to back up his opinion he folds like a cheap suit. To bad he doesn't have any logic to go along with his huge IQ and business success. That really takes away from the total package.

Secondly, it is hard for me to respect a man as a strong business mind when he has no explanation of why less attendence, millions of revenue lost, lack of intrest in the sport sa a whole and disgruntle fans are a good thing for the future of this thing we call hockey. Still haven't figured that one out. But damn, hez lots more learned than us poor folks not blessed with that high IQ and business success. Funny thing is I don't hate the guy (Like you stated).

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Still the social dynamics on the GR are Masters Level Thesis material.

I agree, whereas a topic about who the cutest thunder player falls under the immature and juvenile. Honestly though, if you can't back your opinion when it comes down to it what good are you to any message board. This is a board set up on free thought and opinions. People don't always agree with you and they will treat that in a different fashion. Myself, I have no alternate identities and I say what I feel. That is it bottom line. I would never sugar coat or sell out my own thoughts and feelings to appease a group of posters. I am who I am and that is it. Anything else is just cheating yourself.

I do find it hard to digest the lack of self esteem it takes to post on a board that promises 25 cyber hand jobs after everything I say. I guess I don't need people telling me how smart I am to feel good about myself. Maybe that is just me.




All and all a very good post. It was well thought out and your time and effort are reflected into what you say. I truely hope that one day we can get a physical, entertaining, successful team then we can all agree and be happy and hold hands all night long. I can say that in full confidence because I know if we did have such a team you would be happy due to the fact that you would be happy with anything the thunder did. That is fine with me as long as it doesn't bother you. We all have differnent roles to play in life. In the meantime disagreements keep me sharp and I couldn't have more fun on the internet (Outside of porn...obviously).



P.S. Did your buddies ever fess up to the identities that drove GDogg from this board? Just curious as to what kind of cyber friends you choose to associtate yourself with.

Great post Tfan!

I particularly agree with your comments on Blaznek.

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Quote: Blaznek. The top vote getter for the All Star game. Who voted? Coaches, along with some media reps. What a joke, what do the coaches know? Yeah, he’s the goldenboy, you earn that moniker when you lead the league in goals. Let’s go ahead and break up the leagues top line, brilliant. I have become a big fan of Blaz. Guy has some serious skills and one hell of a shot. My question is what player has failed playing with Clayton and Duda? If you had an opportunity to trade a guy like Blaz to fill some needs and make yourself a better team would you not pursue it? Is he talented? Yes. Is he replaceable? Yes. Would I like to see him go? No. Could I see rationale behind trading him? Yes. Bottom line is that you have a serious piece of trade bait there leaving you with a duo that is consistantly (No matter who they play with) one of the top producing lines in the league. You show me a Tab Lardner and a seroius D-Man and I will help pack Blaz's bags. That simple.

The only diffeence is I'm not a Blaznek fan. I'll not argue he has a shot and can find the backdoor on the man advantage, but to lead the team in scoring and be a minus 2 or 3? In the games we've lost in regulation he was a minus 13. That's more than 3 times the average for the rest of the team.

His numbers would make for some serious trade bait. In lieu of that maybe he should only be used on the powerplay.

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Fairbarn. Another Dman cursed due to the fact he doesn’t go for the sellout check. Remember, this is the town that boo’d Cam Plante, a point a game defenseman. Wichita was the laughing stock of the hockey community (players and coaches, not Internet experts) for a few years due to that. Does he make mistakes, sure. Does he score and set up goals, you betcha. His vision on the powerplay is excellent and will improve even more, he’s getting the timing down with the wings on those passes to the post for the one timers by Clayton and Blaznek. Yeah, trading a first or second line Dman is a brilliant idea. Brilliant.

Uh...hello?

I guess from where you sit is is hard to see Fairbarn get skated around just like Friday night when they scored their first goal, Fairbarn gave him the endzone and he made a great pass to a streaking player and goal. Damn did he have "great position: though.

Once again it must suck to be wrong.

Losing Fairbarn is a blow that hurts me in ways you can only imagine.

I have a meeting scheduled with French to discuss this matter.

Al?

RLR

speedrissr wrote:

Losing Fairbarn is a blow that hurts me in ways you can only imagine. I have a meeting scheduled with French to discuss this matter. Al? RLR

Boy, speed, you must have more pull then people give you credit for!

Fort Worth 01/10/06 ADD Coughlin, Matt (D) previous trade rescinded by league
Fort Worth 01/10/06 DEL Fairbarn, Ryan (D) previous trade rescinded by league

Wichita 01/10/06 DEL Coughlin, Matt (D) previous trade rescinded by league
Wichita 01/10/06 ADD Fairbarn, Ryan (D) previous trade rescinded by league

Boy, speed, you must have more pull then people give you credit for!

Fort Worth 01/10/06 ADD Coughlin, Matt (D) previous trade rescinded by league
Fort Worth 01/10/06 DEL Fairbarn, Ryan (D) previous trade rescinded by league

Wichita 01/10/06 DEL Coughlin, Matt (D) previous trade rescinded by league
Wichita 01/10/06 ADD Fairbarn, Ryan (D) previous trade rescinded by league[/quote]


Where's it at. can't find it on CHL or pointstreak

Predarat wrote:

speedrissr wrote: Losing Fairbarn is a blow that hurts me in ways you can only imagine. I have a meeting scheduled with French to discuss this matter. Al? RLR Boy, speed, you must have more pull then people give you credit for! Fort Worth 01/10/06 ADD Coughlin, Matt (D) previous trade rescinded by league Fort Worth 01/10/06 DEL Fairbarn, Ryan (D) previous trade rescinded by league Wichita 01/10/06 DEL Coughlin, Matt (D) previous trade rescinded by league Wichita 01/10/06 ADD Fairbarn, Ryan (D) previous trade rescinded by league

Alas, even my powers are limited. No such transaction occured today. However, the lunch/dinner with French is still in the works.

Al?

RLR