USHL Draft

The USHL Website went off line as the third round started. Two WF tenders were drafted in the first round - any other news?

Last edited by IIIII on Thu May 04, 2006 1:01 pm; edited 1 time in total

wait til they start drafting vets. oh that already happening. with no compensation for nahl teams. horseshit.

Yeah, my blog is getting comments from USHL fans who didn't like me rubbing salt in the league's wounds.

I was even called an "NAHL Blogger" on Waterloo Black Hawks fan forum.

God bless the kool aid drinkers, they do make life interesting sometimes.

Marc

Marc,

You said that eight of the first thirty drafted players were from the USHL; who were they? Any Bobcats?

Slab wrote:

wait til they start drafting vets. oh that already happening. with no compensation for nahl teams. horseshit.

Any team in any league, can draft a player in another league, if that league has a draft like the USHL had today. (Marc can probably clear that up for us) There would be no reason why, in that case, that an NAHL team couldn't draft a USHL player. The key to remember, is that drafting a player only guarantees that team's rights to him in that league. Just because say, Omaha drafted Bobby Puckslapper from Fargo, doesn't mean that Bobby is going to Omaha. Me may go to Omaha, to college, turn pro, stay in Fargo or quit hockey altogether. All Omaha's drafting of Bobby Puckslapper means, is that Omaha holds his USHL rights. It is them up to them to convince him to come play with them. And, if he does, he (more than likely)still has to win a roster spot. There are several situations here. It's not all just instant horseshit for an NAHL team that has a kid drafted by a USHL team.

Marc, can you explain the situations where a team does or doesn't owe another team compensation please? I am a bit foggy on the rules there. Thanks.

Sam Hain wrote:

Marc, You said that eight of the first thirty drafted players were from the USHL; who were they? Any Bobcats?

Here is what I've found out so far on both the protected lists and draft choices. 25 players from the NAHL have been protected/drafted by USHL teams. It may or may not be 100% correct.

Ohio(??) Blue Jackets (7)

Trent Bonnett (Cleveland Barons)
Patrick Goebel (Cleveland Barons)
Bobby Jarosz (Cleveland Barons)
John Kennedy (Cleveland Barons)
Clark MacLean (Cleveland Barons)
Chris Reed (Cleveland Barons)
Eric Rex (Cleveland Barons)
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Waterloo Blackhawks (6)

Tim Krystosek G (Bismark)
Ryan Cramer F (Fargo)
John Madden D (Traverse City)
Paul Weisgauber (Fargo)
Blake Page (Helena)
Bryce Christianson (Fairbanks)
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Sioux Falls Stampede (5)

Doug Leaverton (Mahoning Valley)
Jay Clark (North Iowa Outlaws)
Sam Zabkowicz (Texarkana Bandits)
David Solway (Sante Fe Roadrunners)
Ryan Guentzel (Southern Minnesota Express)
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Lincoln Stars (2)

Carter Camper (Cleveland Barons)
Matthew Quigley (Mahoning Valley Phantoms)
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Indiana Ice (1)

Eric Kattelus (Bismarck Bobcats)
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Tri-City Storm (1)

Bryce Christianson (Fairbanks Ice Dogs)
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Cedar Rapids RoughRiders (1)

Greg Squires (NTDP)
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Des Moines Buccaneers (1)

Kyle Bailey (Bozeman)
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Omaha Lancers (1)

Dennis Urban (Mahoning Valley)

Thanks for the updates. Sad to think that you get better information on a Blog site than you do on the league website or the "everything hockey" website(s). The USHL homepage came up about 3:30 but the draft link was disabled. tisk tisk.

IIIII wrote:

The USHL homepage came up about 3:30 but the draft link was disabled. tisk tisk.

Stuff happens, eh? Like none of us have ever screwed up with others depending on/expecting something from us.

No surprise on all the Columbus picks from Cleveland, since they really are "one and the same," management-wise.

sorry jrhf, but it certainly is horseshit that teams are not getting compensated for their players. you dont want to keep a player back, but there is some time and money invested in these lads right? some programs do a nice job developing players.

The USHL draft results are posted at http://www.ushl.com/draft/2006/EntryDraft2006.cfm for those that care.

Well this just sucks. Looks like two of our best players and prospects for next year got drafted. I figured that Dan Sexton and Andrew Conboy would get drafted, but really wanted them to return here next year.

wrencher wrote:

Well this just sucks. Looks like two of our best players and prospects for next year got drafted. I figured that Dan Sexton and Andrew Conboy would get drafted, but really wanted them to return here next year.

It ain't time to panic just because one of your players got drafted. The drafting team has to convince them to come. And there's been more than one case of a player being drafted, going to that team and not sticking, ending up returning to the team he came from.

Jrhockeyfan wrote:

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It ain't time to panic just because one of your players got drafted. The drafting team has to convince them to come.

Exactly Jr. Last season the Lincoln Stars drafted Brett Blatchford and Ben Grotting from the Tornado. Grotting went to Lincoln and Blatchford came back for a third National Championship opportunity.

Hated to loose Grotting cause loved watching that kid skate. Give him a stride and I don't think there was anyone in the NAHL that could catch him. However, if we had to loose one of the two I am glad that it was Blatchford who returned to Frisco. The Tornado Blue Line would have been weakened greatly without Brett.

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Souix City of the USHL once drafted a player from Anchorage. Well the player wanted to play for Mike in Omaha. So I rostered and protected him on my WSHL team. He was active for three games thn I was going to trade him to Omaha, where he wanted to go. Well, that did not fly. The trade was voided, I got accused of tampering (the kid is an Alaskan player), so we worked out a deal (no money, no pucks) for him to go to his second choice, the Surrey Eagles of the BCHL. Who really lost out on that deal? Me, no, I was not going to keep him, I knew that. Soiux City?, Nah, they were never going to get him. Omaha, Mike is always loaded with talent. No, I think the USHL as a whole lost, because the future NHL All Star went to Canada instead. The next year he was in the WHL, and the rest is history.

I really do not like the concept of drafting players that do not get paid to play. What if a parent does not like the coach, or the program? What if he just wants to play for the team that he has always dreamed of playing for, or the team his cousin played on. It is baloney. These are kids. Not property. Not very many clubs are non-profit. I know Fairbanks is, but who else? So how can a for profit entity have the rights to a player that does not get paid to play? You wonder WHY so many kids play elsewhere, this is it. A program should be forced to provide the very best oppertunity the attract the very best players.

If Big Daddy surf shop in South Padre Island wanted the very best players in the country for his NAHL team, all he would have to do is create a situation where the players can play, practice, live well,eat well, get around, get a few classes, and see pretty girls. Face it, this is what really matters. The team can play in Miami, if the kid has talent, the scouts will find him. If Joe Eskimo from Barrow, Ak can hit 50% of his 3's, the NBA is going to find him. If the El Paso Rhinos have a kid that scores 200 pts next year, the college scouts will beat down the door to see this kid. Location, in this day and age, is helpfull, but not required.

Bottom line is simple, this draft is baloney. All it does is keep the better players OUT of the USHL if they do not want to play for the team that drafted them. So stop blowing smoke that it is all about development when we all know it is all about money.

Stephen Heisler wrote:

Souix City of the USHL once drafted a player from Anchorage. Well the player wanted to play for Mike in Omaha. So I rostered and protected him on my WSHL team. He was active for three games thn I was going to trade him to Omaha, where he wanted to go. Well, that did not fly. The trade was voided, I got accused of tampering (the kid is an Alaskan player), so we worked out a deal (no money, no pucks) for him to go to his second choice, the Surrey Eagles of the BCHL. Who really lost out on that deal? Me, no, I was not going to keep him, I knew that. Soiux City?, Nah, they were never going to get him. Omaha, Mike is always loaded with talent. No, I think the USHL as a whole lost, because the future NHL All Star went to Canada instead. The next year he was in the WHL, and the rest is history. I really do not like the concept of drafting players that do not get paid to play. What if a parent does not like the coach, or the program? What if he just wants to play for the team that he has always dreamed of playing for, or the team his cousin played on. It is baloney. These are kids. Not property. Not very many clubs are non-profit. I know Fairbanks is, but who else? So how can a for profit entity have the rights to a player that does not get paid to play? You wonder WHY so many kids play elsewhere, this is it. A program should be forced to provide the very best oppertunity the attract the very best players. If Big Daddy surf shop in South Padre Island wanted the very best players in the country for his NAHL team, all he would have to do is create a situation where the players can play, practice, live well,eat well, get around, get a few classes, and see pretty girls. Face it, this is what really matters. The team can play in Miami, if the kid has talent, the scouts will find him. If Joe Eskimo from Barrow, Ak can hit 50% of his 3's, the NBA is going to find him. If the El Paso Rhinos have a kid that scores 200 pts next year, the college scouts will beat down the door to see this kid. Location, in this day and age, is helpfull, but not required. Bottom line is simple, this draft is baloney. All it does is keep the better players OUT of the USHL if they do not want to play for the team that drafted them. So stop blowing smoke that it is all about development when we all know it is all about money.

Doesn't the NAHL also have a draft? how is that any different than the USHL? Or is just your intense hatred for anything that is not the NAHL? If you are going to say the USHL shouldn't draft, than neither should the NAHL.

OK, so what's the rest of the story? Who's the Alaska mystery player? Is this the same Scott Gomez story?

Yea, it is Gomez. No, I do not like the NAHL draft either. Why is Duke basketball good every year? Excellent coach, excellent program, excellent education. Is that easy? No, but the school believes in the coach and makes the investment in the program. Duke does not win the Final Four every year. The NCAA does not draft players, so, why does junior hockey have to?

I do not hate the USHL. I am a junior hockey fan. When the AHL invaded Iowa, I was all over it, screaming that the AHL is trying to bite off the hand that feeds it and that the USHL is essential to the development of the game here in the United States. I wrote letters saying it was wrong. I wrote to the NHL and asked them to re-think this. Obviously, that went no where.

USAH already has a "Protected List" program. Each year a team drops the overagers off the list. When that happens, list the new players that you think you have convinced to sign and play. If that player is "Protected" by four other teams, so be it. He can go to your camp, if he does not like it, he can go somewhere else. If he is not "Protected" by the team he wants to play on, he can go to that team and try to convince the coach that he is worthy of one of the 25 slots. When a player is active in five games, he is rostered on that team for the season. Now, if a situation happens where the player no longer wishes to be on the team, he can leave, and go to another team, but not in the same league. I also would like to see a rule where all players involved in a trade, have to agree to the trade. You can not force a kid, who is involved in education, to leave school, his host family, and team mates, just becasue you want a different player. If the kid you wish to trade is not good enough for your 25 man list, then drop him. But he does not have to leave town. (his parents pay the billit fee and school tuition anyway)

My kid is not leaving home for junior hockey untill he is out of high school. Now, if there is a team in our town, he could play. But finishing school is the top priorty. I don't care what USHL or NAHL team drafts him. He is staying home. If the best team in town is a Junior "A" team, that does not have his rights, so what. He will play midget instead, or on his high school team.

Folks, don't assume hate. When I post something, rest assured it is from a view of the bigger picture.

Early this morning I posted on the blog that the USHL claiming NAHL draft may constitute tampering.

http://juniorhockey.blogspot.com

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wrencher wrote:

Well this just sucks. Looks like two of our best players and prospects for next year got drafted. I figured that Dan Sexton and Andrew Conboy would get drafted, but really wanted them to return here next year.

From what I was told Andrew Conboy would not be returning next year anyway. I guess Cedar Rapid had luck drafting Chad Costello who led the league in scoring last year and would try another one of our players in Dan Sexton.

Jrhockeyfan wrote:

Slab wrote: wait til they start drafting vets. oh that already happening. with no compensation for nahl teams. horseshit. Omaha drafted Bobby Puckslapper from Fargo,

Dang it! I wanted him to come here. Heard he is outstanding!